BStrong
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HM isn't even trying anymore - wash rinse repeat and self contradictory posts are so 2017.
Merged Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did.
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Henri McPhee
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Kassab got it right at the beginning when he is on record as saying MacDonald should not have been charged. It was a case of opinions and false evidence and disregarding leads and suspects.
Henri McPhee
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You are making it up. That is disputed by skilled professional advocates and real forensic experts. The fingerprints on the phone and the knife were wiped by the military police. The real serologist Glisson is in disagreement with Laber and Stombaugh about Colette's blood on the pajama top and pajama pocket before it was torn, to supposedly indicate a violent argument. MacDonald's wounds were certainly not self-inflicted and that's a fact. There is no evidence at all that the murder weapons came from the apartment, apart from the lies and perjury at the 1979 trial by Colette's mother and the babysitter. The description given by MacDonald fit very closely to Stoeckley and her murderer pals.
Pajama fibers and blood were found at the exact spot MacDonald said he fell unconscious, but the jury were never informed of that because the information came from the Article 32 proceeding, and Judge 'in bed with the prosecution' Dupree censored it on the spurious reason that it was ten year old information.
No, I am NOT making it up. Name one REAL forensic expert who actually viewed the evidence or even an allegedly SKILLED professional who ACTUALLY viewed the evidence that can dispute the FACTS. You cannot henri. THE FACTS were presented in COURT. The jury CONVICTED and the CONVICTION has stood through all inmate's pathetic machinations to try and get out of the punishment that is way less harsh then he deserved, but the best that could be given under the guidelines at the time he was sentenced. FACT henri, not your opinion for which you are not qualified to render on forensic matters, rule of law, rule of evidence, or even Crime Scene Investigation.
No henri, the MPs did not go around erasing evidence. Even if the grand conspiracy you wish was fact had been in place, they would NOT have erased fingerprints from places that should have them ie the phone since he is the one who called for help. Obviously you missed the most important thing about the Geneva Forge knife henri - INMATE CLAIMED TO HAVE PULLED IT OUT OF COLETTE'S CHEST BUT SHE DID NOT REPEAT DID NOT ONE MORE TIME DID NOT HAVE A WOUND IN HER CHEST MADE BY THE GENEVA FORGE KNIFE. The reason inmate made this statement is because he could not recall if he had wiped fingerprints off the knife and needed an explanation as to why they'd be found on the handle. IT IS CALLED CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT.
Janice Glisson did not testify about the blood on the pajama top or the pajama pocket. Whatever her opinion was/was not in regards to Colette's blood on the pajama top/pocket is irrelevant. HOWEVER, since Terry Laber's testimony went in to the record without the defense trying to disprove it, that is very clear evidence that they COULD NOT do so.....
FACE IT, inmate punched his wife in the face, and she is the one who fought for her life and babies like a Green Beret. inmate (if intruders had existed) would have proven how much of a Green Beret HE WAS NOT. I know Green Berets that had been posted at Fort Bragg during the same era....you want to see what cursing a blue streak actually looks like? Tell them that inmate was a Green Beret.....they will inform you while cursing the blue streak just how much of a Green Beret he was not/is not/never could have been. He is a wuss, a coward, a familial slaughterer, a narcissistic sociopathic murdering bastard.
The chest wound was self-inflicted and THAT IS FACT.
There was no perjury by Mildred or the babysitter. There was perjury by inmate. The claim that they didn't own an ice pick is ********. In 1960-1970's EVERYONE had an ice pick. Those were the days BEFORE frost free freezers (especially in military housing). The murder club was PROVEN REPEAT PROVEN BEYOND ANY DOUBT to have once been the same piece of wood as one of the bed slats in Kimmie's bed. Are you seriously trying to claim that some roving hippies just happened to find a piece of wood that had been sawed off a bed slat in Kimmie's room and left somewhere else? The impression of that murder club could be seen on the MB carpet - the club had been being used to hold up the foot board on one end. inmate grabbed it and bashed his 5 year old daughter's head so hard that he broke her cheek bone and caused it to tear through the skin of her face. FACT FACT FACT
No, the description DID NOT match Helena - not at all! Also, she didn't have any "murder pals" and none of the people she claimed were involved matched the description either. Jay's NY roomies matched the descriptions but they were proven to be in NY not NC (5 states away)
inmate CLAIMED he fell unconscious however, that is medically impossible from the rest of his story and no, there were not any blood stains or pj fibers found "exactly" where he claimed to have gone down....there were a couple of fibers a few feet away and there was some blood in the hallway, but that matched Kimmie's blood type not inmate's.
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The Honorable Judge Dupree did no such thing.....IF he had, then there would have been grounds for an appeal. Inmate has never one an appeal and certainly did not use these alleged fibers/blood spots as a basis for an appeal. Making up lies and insulting your betters just makes your man crush look even more guilty. you cannot win an argument using facts so you make up allegations and insults with nothing to support the spurious and vitriolic comments you spew forth. Knock it off!
Yawn
As BStrong pointed out, the landlord isn't even trying anymore. He knows that this is an open and shut case, but he still derives enjoyment from wearing the black hat in this case discussion. Speaking of black hats, the author of the People Magazine article that pushed for MacDonald being a tortured innocent, was fired this past Summer. Hmmm, I wonder why?
http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
As BStrong pointed out, the landlord isn't even trying anymore. He knows that this is an open and shut case, but he still derives enjoyment from wearing the black hat in this case discussion. Speaking of black hats, the author of the People Magazine article that pushed for MacDonald being a tortured innocent, was fired this past Summer. Hmmm, I wonder why?
http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
Henri McPhee
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I'm sorry to hear that that the author of that People magazine article was fired if that is true. That proves to me that the American media has always been biased against the innocent Jeffrey MacDonald. In the same way CBS has fallen into a trap in saying that nine year old Burke did it in the JonBenet case. If there is any justice in this world CBS, and others, will pay for it.
Indeed, the author of the biased magazine article and tv show done on inmate, that didn't even begin to fact check what smq told her, was fired. On at least 1 discussion forum she tried to make it seem as if she was let go as part of the Time Warner restructuring, but I have it from several very reliable sources that she was let go because of the article and tv show and the overwhelming proof that she didn't check even the most basic facts of the case. (As well as the overwhelming amount of negative feedback....I myself spent some time pointing out simple facts that she omitted, didn't check, overlooked on the magazine's discussion pages for the articles.......until they were shut down. Less than 1% of the people who posted there believe inmate/smq version of events).
BStrong
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BStrong
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There is.
Evidence? The murderer that you love the most is right where the scumbag belongs.
Henri McPhee
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It was the 'little viper' Murtagh who used the argument in court that anything from the Article 32 could not be presented in court because it was ten years old, and Dupree agreed with him. That hamstrung Segal and I would have thought it was a ground for appeal.
I agree with what MacDonald's military lawyer friend, Malley. said about the case:
http://pu65.org/sites/PU65/Folders/Archive/50th Reunion Essays/malley.pdf
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Henri McPhee
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The Boston Globe has always been sympathetic to MacDonald, perhaps because Harvey Silverglate used to live there, but the rest of the American media has been a biased trial by media and trial by TV which can affect public opinion:
http://www.oppermanreport.com/blog/2015/1/9/kathryn-macdonald-jeff-macdonald-murders-and-trial
http://www.oppermanreport.com/blog/2015/1/9/kathryn-macdonald-jeff-macdonald-murders-and-trial
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I'm pleased to hear that whoever was responsible for that ID TV show was fired. I was stunned to see how ridiculously one-sided it was. I mean, some of the interviews from MacDonald's relatives & former friends were interesting but there was absolutely no presentation of the pro-guilt viewpoint. I understood how current or previously involved government prosecutors, etc. may not have wanted to be interviewed but there had to have been somebody, someone, who would have liked to have gotten the opposing viewpoint across. There was exactly one woman from People magazine, forget her title, who came across as remotely neutral.
One of the dumbest characterizations was of the actor portraying the late Freddy Kassab tearing up that postcard. The guy looked like he was around 75 when Kassab was probably 30+ years younger at the time
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Henri McPhee
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You are making it up as usual. That's bollocks. Reference about the blood where he fell unconscious please? In any case the accuracy of the blood typing was hotly disputed in court. The defense forensic experts were never allowed to examine the blood evidence themselves. It was sloppy forensic work by the Army CID. From Shaw being questioned by Eisman at the Article 32:
http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/0-1970-07-05-pa32-shaw.html
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BStrong
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Byn63 pointed out that the claim of your man crush of being unconscious is specious.
I agree.
Show me a crime scene with multiple victims where victims that posed little to no threat to an attacker were killed beyond any possible doubt and a victim that would pose a physical threat isn't injured or is only slightly injured my antennae goes up.
Another point to be made wrt this case is that Ft. Bragg, then and now, is a singularly bad environment for finding easy victims. I was stationed there in the mid-late 70's and between the 82nd and the various SF units based there I can't imagine a worse choice of venue for any type of criminal activity.
There was an incident in '79 where a burglar made the mistake of breaking into a house in the wrong area and it was the last mistake he ever made. It's a known fact amongst locals that it's one thing to get into it with troops off-base, but on base there is no win to be had. If you don't belong there and start anything there (depending on seriousness) there's a real chance of not surviving the encounter - and it's not just the MP's someone needs to be worried about. There is no shortage of individuals that are trained and conditioned to be aggressive and they are not shy or retiring when it comes to any sort of encounter with other individuals who don't belong there or are apparently there for less than legit purposes.
The idea that "drug crazed hippies" made it on, off and managed to murder HM's man crush's family in between without being detected and stopped is about as likely as HM arguing a case in front of the Supreme Court and winning.
Henri McPhee
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That's pure speculation. The Stoeckley gang were drug addicted, and drug dealing, rogue soldiers. They were not big soft things. Mazerolle was described as a hard cookie by Detective Beasley. MacDonald fell unconscious all right and to deny that is just an opinion, and not a fact.
There is a fair and just article about the case at:
https://everything2.com/title/Misplaced+justice%3A+The+story+of+Dr.+Jeffrey+MacDonald
Lack Of Trying
The landlord continues to bolster the argument that he isn't putting any real effort into engaging in a salient case discussion. This is evident in his inability to understand that the current burden of proof is on inmate and his advocates. In terms of this thread, it's up to the landlord to provide proof of inmate's hippie home invader story.
For the past 15 years, the landlord has flat-out refused to provide the kind of proof that passes muster in a court of law. Rather than provide CID or FBI lab documentation that sources a specific home invader suspect to the crime scene, the landlord provides posters with blogs, websites, and articles.
All of these source materials are forensically worthless and meaningless in a court of law. The landlord has been challenged time and time again to provide a single lab document that sources a member of the Stoeckley Seven to the crime scene. The reason he has failed to meet this challenge is because no such lab documentation exists.
http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
The landlord continues to bolster the argument that he isn't putting any real effort into engaging in a salient case discussion. This is evident in his inability to understand that the current burden of proof is on inmate and his advocates. In terms of this thread, it's up to the landlord to provide proof of inmate's hippie home invader story.
For the past 15 years, the landlord has flat-out refused to provide the kind of proof that passes muster in a court of law. Rather than provide CID or FBI lab documentation that sources a specific home invader suspect to the crime scene, the landlord provides posters with blogs, websites, and articles.
All of these source materials are forensically worthless and meaningless in a court of law. The landlord has been challenged time and time again to provide a single lab document that sources a member of the Stoeckley Seven to the crime scene. The reason he has failed to meet this challenge is because no such lab documentation exists.
http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
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Henri McPhee
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There is quite a recent article on the internet which proves there were pajama fibers found by Shaw where MacDonald fell unconscious. Shaw testified in a lie at the Article 32 that one fiber was found there. Any MacDonald blood which was there could have been lost in the contamination of the crime scene:
https://www.crimetraveller.org/2017...ain-jeffrey-macdonald-a-critique-of-the-case/
https://www.crimetraveller.org/2017...ain-jeffrey-macdonald-a-critique-of-the-case/
BStrong
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The "Stoeckly gang" only exists in your imagination.
There were drug users in the military at the time of the murders. On base in CONUS they kept a very low profile. If you have any documented evidence that there were active duty troops involved in a criminal conspiracy (beyond simple drug use/possession) w/ Stoeckly now would be a good time to produce it.
Please observe your own assertion wrt opinion and not fact.
Burden Of Proof
HENRIBOY: Again, the burden is on YOU to prove your conspiracy claims and to link a single piece of forensic evidence to a known intruder suspect.
1) Produce a decision by a District Court Judge and/or Appellate Court Judge that concludes that a CID and/or FBI agent committed perjury in this case.
2) Produce a decision by a 4th Circuit Court Judge and/or United States Supreme Court Judge that concludes that Judge Dupree and/or Judge Fox did not provide inmate with a fair trial and/or evidentiary hearing.
3) Produce a lab document that concludes that a fiber was a microscopic match and/or matched the chemical composition of clothing worn by a known intruder suspect.
4) Produce a lab document that concludes that a hair was a microscopic match and/or matched the DNA profile of a known intruder suspect.
5) Produce a lab document that concludes that a fingerprint, palmprint, or footprint matched a print exemplar from a known intruder suspect.
http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
HENRIBOY: Again, the burden is on YOU to prove your conspiracy claims and to link a single piece of forensic evidence to a known intruder suspect.
1) Produce a decision by a District Court Judge and/or Appellate Court Judge that concludes that a CID and/or FBI agent committed perjury in this case.
2) Produce a decision by a 4th Circuit Court Judge and/or United States Supreme Court Judge that concludes that Judge Dupree and/or Judge Fox did not provide inmate with a fair trial and/or evidentiary hearing.
3) Produce a lab document that concludes that a fiber was a microscopic match and/or matched the chemical composition of clothing worn by a known intruder suspect.
4) Produce a lab document that concludes that a hair was a microscopic match and/or matched the DNA profile of a known intruder suspect.
5) Produce a lab document that concludes that a fingerprint, palmprint, or footprint matched a print exemplar from a known intruder suspect.
http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
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