Merged Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did.

[byn63]

There were about 71 people who were wrongly released from prison in the UK last year due to incorrect documentation.

So what? that is absolutely and positively irrelevant to the case in hand.

Mazerolle's documentation about his incarcerations were a fraud.

PROVE IT! The documentation is not and was not fraudulent. it is certified, corroborated, checked, and double checked to be accurate and correct.

That is what Detective Beasley said publicly when he was alive. Mazerolle was out of prison on the night of the Macdonald murders and his so-called documentation was just to provide him with a cast iron alibi to fool journalists and the American public.

I never heard or read anything anywhere that Detective Beasley ever stated that the documentation was false.

HOWEVER, as I have stated to you numerous times in the past when PEB made the claims that Allen M was out of jail he was CONFABULATING. By the time of the Grand Jury and Trial of inmate PEB was seriously ill with the inorganic brain disorder with which he'd been diagnosed. He LIED but since it was not intentional it gets to be considered CONFABULATION.

Since you obviously have failed to grasp this very simple concept I will once again provide you with the definition of confabulate.

Confabulate:
{latin confabulari, confabulat-: com-, together + fabulari, to talk}
1. to talk informally: chat 2. Psychiatric To replace fact with fantasy in memory.

When one confabulates, they replace "missing" information in their memory with "fantasy" or "made up" data to fill in the blanks. Although it is unintentional it is also NOT TRUE.

PEB arrested Allen M. he was in jail the night of the murders and he was not released on bail until March 10, 1970. THIS IS FACT. PERIOD.

 

[JTF]

Headline Porn

The landlord's only contribution to true crime discussion boards is his ability to concoct different forms of headline porn. The simple fact is that there is not a shred of sourced evidence that places Allen Mazzerolle at 544 Castle Drive.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

 

[Henri McPhee]

The landlord's only contribution to true crime discussion boards is his ability to concoct different forms of headline porn. The simple fact is that there is not a shred of sourced evidence that places Allen Mazzerolle at 544 Castle Drive.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

There is some background information to all this from the 1979 trial testimony of Detective Beasley. Helena showed him a blonde wig and floppy hat and talked about an ice pick:

BY MR. SMITH:
Q Mr. Beasley, have you examined that photograph, or whatever it is, before?
A Yes, sir.
Q When did you have a chance to look at it?
A I saw one in the newspaper like this.
Q Have you had an opportunity to examine that particular item in the past few days?
A Yes, sir; back in the interview room with Ms. Stoeckley and Mr. Segal.
Q All right, now, Mr. Beasley, I will ask you if you will to describe what this object is that you have examined?
A It is a picture of one of the suspects.
Q Is it a drawing?
A Drawing of one of the suspects.
Q Mr. Beasley, does that drawing portray fairly any individual that you ever saw with Helena Stoeckley?
A Yes, sir.
Q Do you know the name of that individual?
A Yes, sir.
Q What was his name?
A His last name was Mazerolle
Q Mazerolle?
A Yes, sir.
Q Do you know his first name?
A Yes, sir; I've got it here.
Q Would it refresh your recollection if I asked you if his name was Allen?
A That's it; Allen P. Mazerolle.
Q Allen Mazerolle?
A Yes, sir.

MR. SMITH: No further questions, Your Honor.

MR. BLACKBURN: Just a moment, Your Honor.

 

[Henri McPhee]

Detective Beasley's opinion about Mazerolle as a suspect, and his forged incarcerations, and his description of him as a hard cookie is explained here. Detective Beasley had previously been given two awards for being the best detective in North Carolina:

www.crimearchives.net/1979_macdonald/affidavits/1986-05-05_beasley_stmt.html

 

[desmirelle]

BEFORE the inorganic brain disease, yeah, he was a very good detective. Nobody is disputing that at one time in his life he was good. But after.......nope, not good, his memory wasn't playing nice with him at all. That's one of the problems of the disease.

 

[byn63]

henri apparently STILL did not read/comprehend my post so here is another attempt.

henri - PEB suffered from an inorganic brain disorder that left lesions on his brain and gaps in his memory. by the time of the trial, PEB could not remember a great many details especially in re: this case. He confabulated - in other words - he made up details that filled in the gaps in his memory. He (like anyone who confabulates) made up fictions that seemed to make sense (at least to him) but that doesn't make him correct. The documentation has been checked, re-checked, certified, corroborated and PROVEN to be valid and accurate. NOT forged NOT fabricated NOT fraudulent in any shape manner or form. Even the defense team does not argue such nonsense so why do you feel you can?

Once again:
HOWEVER, as I have stated to you numerous times in the past when PEB made the claims that Allen M was out of jail he was CONFABULATING. By the time of the Grand Jury and Trial of inmate PEB was seriously ill with the inorganic brain disorder with which he'd been diagnosed. He LIED but since it was not intentional it gets to be considered CONFABULATION.

Since you obviously have failed to grasp this very simple concept I will once again provide you with the definition of confabulate.

Confabulate:
{latin confabulari, confabulat-: com-, together + fabulari, to talk}
1. to talk informally: chat 2. Psychiatric To replace fact with fantasy in memory.

When one confabulates, they replace "missing" information in their memory with "fantasy" or "made up" data to fill in the blanks. Although it is unintentional it is also NOT TRUE.

PEB arrested Allen M. he was in jail the night of the murders and he was not released on bail until March 10, 1970. THIS IS FACT. PERIOD.

 

[Henri McPhee]

BEFORE the inorganic brain disease, yeah, he was a very good detective. Nobody is disputing that at one time in his life he was good. But after.......nope, not good, his memory wasn't playing nice with him at all. That's one of the problems of the disease.

Detective Beasley's daughter once posted on the internet that he had his wits about him up to and including the MacDonald trial in 1979, and that he knew what happened in the MacDonald murders, but he wasn't believed. I now can't find that posting. It seems to have been censored from the internet. She did mention that he came too close to the atom bomb explosion in Japan. His doctors agreed that was the cause of his later health problems.

The evidence against MacDonald is quite ludicrously unsatisfactory. MacDonald was screwed. The FBI and CID were idle and incompetent.

 

[byn63]

Detective Beasley's daughter once posted on the internet that he had his wits about him up to and including the MacDonald trial in 1979, and that he knew what happened in the MacDonald murders, but he wasn't believed.

It is no surprise that a loving daughter would make such a claim but it is irrelevant no matter where she made such a claim (if she ever did). HOWEVER, the comments that count are those of the Medical Doctors who testified or provided affidavits stating that PEB had an inorganic brain disorder, lesions on his brain, and he confabulated. THESE ARE FACTS. PEB was already forced to retire by the time of inmate's trial and he was already severely impaired by the illness with which he had been diagnosed. FACTS henri not opinion FACTS.

PEB was not believed because it was proven that he was confabulating during his testimony. IN OTHER WORDS HE LIED. I provided you with the definition of confabulation previously, apparently you still haven't read it. Please do so, it would help immensely if you at least TRIED to comprehend FACT.

I now can't find that posting. It seems to have been censored from the internet.

Nothing that was ever On-line can be totally wiped from the internet. It is more likely that like other such alleged comments/posts you claim to have read (and are the ONLY person to have seen it) it was imaginary. Just like the lies PEB told at trial. At least PEB had no malicious intent when he lied, that is why it is called confabulation.

The evidence against inmate is quite ludicrously unsatisfactory.

Only in your world henri. Here in the real world the evidence against inmate is overwhelming. He was convicted using only about 60% of the evidence available at the time. NOW if he was to get a new trial the DNA evidence alone would convict him.

MacDonald was screwed.

IF inmate had not brutally and savagely slaughtered Colette, Kimberley, Kristen, and his unborn son he would have not been screwed. He screwed himself. If he had not told a bs story that was easy to see through, perhaps he'd have been less screwed. He cannot, even today, keep his mouth shut when he should.....that is one of the reasons he has landed in solitary a few times....that a stealing bagels from the commissary....

 

[JTF]

Rinse And Repeat

Welcome to another installment of the rinse and repeat cognitive process of MacFantasy Island's lone resident. Prince Beasley's daughter must have forgotten the FACT that five years prior to the 1979 trial, her father was standing in the middle of an intersection, waving his arms and spouting bizarre statements to motorists. Shortly after this incident, his superiors asked him to resign and Beasley subsequently "retired" from the force.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

 

[byn63]

Welcome to another installment of the rinse and repeat cognitive process of MacFantasy Island's lone resident. Prince Beasley's daughter must have forgotten the FACT that five years prior to the 1979 trial, her father was standing in the middle of an intersection, waving his arms and spouting bizarre statements to motorists. Shortly after this incident, his superiors asked him to resign and Beasley subsequently "retired" from the force.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

Thanks JTF - I knew there was an intersection incident that preceeded his eventual "forced retirement" but couldn't remember the details!

 

[Henri McPhee]

Welcome to another installment of the rinse and repeat cognitive process of MacFantasy Island's lone resident. Prince Beasley's daughter must have forgotten the FACT that five years prior to the 1979 trial, her father was standing in the middle of an intersection, waving his arms and spouting bizarre statements to motorists. Shortly after this incident, his superiors asked him to resign and Beasley subsequently "retired" from the force.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

I agree that Detective Beasley seems to have had a drink problem among his other health problems later on. There is some story that Beasley once dressed up as a witch when he went to interview one of the suspects, which did not go down well with the MacDonald lawyers at the time. He seems to have been replaced by the now deceased Shedlick. I think it's a pity because he knew what happened at the MacDonald murders, but he was not believed.

Beasley did interview Greg Mitchell's wife in about 1981 who categorically denied Mitchell was involved.

People Magazine is a bit more skeptical about Mitchell:

Greg Mitchell, too, repeatedly confessed up until his death in June 1982. Ann Sutton Cannady, who ran a rehab facility for drug addicts in Fayetteville in 1971, said Mitchell was briefly a patient there. Sutton*claimed she saw Mitchell running out of a farmhouse owned by the rehab facility, on which the words,*“I killed MacDonald’s wife and children,” were written on a wall in red paint.

Long after MacDonald’s 1979 conviction, three of Mitchell’s friends contacted Kathryn MacDonald saying he had confessed to them as well. Those three people gave affidavits that are now part of MacDonald’s*appeal.

 

[Henri McPhee]

I fully appreciate that some people are definitely bad, and bad through and through, with no good in them at all. Jeff MacDonald is not one of those people. He was a brilliant and caring emergency room doctor.

 

[desmirelle]

I fully appreciate that some people are definitely bad, and bad through and through, with no good in them at all. Jeff MacDonald is not one of those people. He was a brilliant and caring emergency room doctor.

Who just happened to lose his temper big-time one night and slaughtered his wife, unborn son, and two daughters beserker-style, then tucked Kimmy into bed, carried Colette from Kris' room back to the master bedroom, put Kris back under covers - all to support his lies about intruders. I lived in army housing in that era. Strange voice chanting ANYTHING at 0200 hours wakes up EVERYBODY with a connecting wall/floor/ceiling.

Nobody here is disputing Mac's medical skills (in 1970's), Henri. We've got issues with the fact he slaughtered his family in February 1971. He was a good doctor. Totally sucked as a human being, faithful husband and attentive father bits of his life - which were much more important than his emergency room skills.

 

[JTF]

Details

The landlord of MacFantasy Island has never cared much for the details of this case. Beasley was NEVER hired by MacDonald as a private investigator, so he wasn't in a position to be "replaced" by Shedlick. The first investigator hired by MacDonald was Ted Gunderson and he wasn't replaced by Shedlick. That duty fell to a retired NY City homicide detective who investigated the case for several months in early 1984. He reported back to inmate that he could not help him because all of the data he collected pointed to his guilt. Inmate then hired Shedlick who was more than happy to bang square pegs into round evidentiary holes.

Shedlick put forth theories (e.g., Gurney Theory, Blue Bedsheet allegedly placed over Colette's body) that couldn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny. Beasley eventually came around to the FACT that MacDonald was guilty of murdering his family. In 1991, he expressed to reporter Pat Reese that he no longer believed that Stoeckley was involved in the murders. Shortly after Pat's two-part article on Beasley was published, Fred Bost threatened to sue Beasley, but it proved to be a hollow threat. Beasley was a big part of Bost's work of fiction (e.g., Fatal Justice) and he was concerned that his work on the case would be discredited by Beasley's change of heart.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

 

[Henri McPhee]

Detective Beasley was used as a sub-contractor by Gunderson. Beasley once said publicly that the next logical step would be to interview the Stoeckley group suspects, which would include Mazerolle. That New York detective JTF mentions before Shedlick was a lousy detective who didn't do a complete investigation. Pat Reese was a curmudgeonly former drug addict local journalist who was involved in the local drugs scene. The North Carolina Bureau of Investigation interviewed Pat Reese, and suspect Dwight Smith, who lived in the same apartment block about two days after the MacDonald murders as persons of interest.

By the time Pat Reese interviewed Beasley for that newspaper article in 1991 Beasley was long gone with senile dementia. It was not all that long before Beasley died. Helena Stoeckley was the last thing on his mind at the time, who had died about ten years previously.

Fred Post and Potter did a good job telling Jeff MacDonald's side of the story in their book Fatal Justice as journalists, but it's a pity they didn't have the detective skills to outfox the Stoeckley group, and the corrupt and biased judicial system in North Carolina.

 

[byn63]

to anyone NEW to the board and just reading things - please ignore post #2975 - it is so beyond ridiculously untrue that I cannot justify my time replying directly.

 

[Ygraine]

Has anybody seen my eyes? After reading those last posts by the Landlord of MacFantasy Island I rolled my eyes so hard, they fell out of my head.

 

[Henri McPhee]

Has anybody seen my eyes? After reading those last posts by the Landlord of MacFantasy Island I rolled my eyes so hard, they fell out of my head.

It's no good being a hysterical and emotional woman of the district visitor type. You need to investigate the facts and evidence. Fred Bost got it right.

There is some background information to this Pat Reese and Smitty business on the internet. The local journalist Pat Reese was up to his eyeballs in the Stoeckley group drug scene.

www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/aff3-madden-1984-07-12.html

4. He noted that in 1970, he resided in an apartment complex at 1810 Fort Bragg Road, Fayetteville, North Carolina, and he is known by the nickname of "Smitty". He resided in the same apartment complex as did Pat Reese.

5. He could not recall the names or identities of any of Helena Stoeckley's friends and/or associates. He was of the opinion she resided somewhere in the Haymont area, possibly with her parents. The names of Bruce Johnny Fowler, Shelby Don Harris, Allen Patrick Mazerolle and "Wizard" meant nothing to him whatsoever. He believes he remembers the name of Gregory Howard Mitchell and thinks Mitchell was probably acquainted with Helena Stoeckley, although he could not provide any information regarding Mitchell.

6. He could not recall specifically where he was during the evening of February 16 or the early morning hours of February 17, 1970. He does remember that during the early or mid-morning hours of February 17, 1970, that Ray Davis and Cuyler Windham, SBI Agents, came to his residence and spoke with him and Pat Reese regarding the MacDonald murders. They were seeking information from Smith and Reese as to possible suspects as the SBI had a description of a group of individuals which may have participated in the MacDonald murders. To the best of Smith's recollection, he was unaware of the MacDonald murders until informed about same by Windham and Davis. Windham and Davis were obviously looking for help as to suspects as he worked closely with them with various drug users. Smith noted he did many programs of a community nature at schools and churches regarding drugs with Windham and Davis. To the best of his recollection, at the time he was contacted he could not furnish any suspects to Windham and Davis. He advised Helena Stoeckley never entered his mind as a suspect and it was his recollection that after the murders, she started wearing a brown floppy hat which was kind of a joke among the drug scene in Fayetteville, North Carolina, as it was felt she was merely wearing the hat to gain attention and a possible connection with the MacDonald murders.

7. After the MacDonald murders, he "heard" information from some unrecalled person that maybe Stoeckley was involved in the MacDonald murders or had knowledge of the murders and in fact had made some statements to this effect, but he discounted the veracity of her story because she was a "scatterbrain" who was always attempting to gain attention by acting in an unusual manner.

 

[byn63]

Has anybody seen my eyes? After reading those last posts by the Landlord of MacFantasy Island I rolled my eyes so hard, they fell out of my head.

that happened to me a few times, I've trained my eyes to come back when I call them! I'm sure you will locate your eyes soon! Don't feel bad for your reaction either, it is a normal and sane response to the inanities!

 

[JTF]

Alternate Reality

I guess when you counsel individuals with substance abuse issues, you're automatically "up to your eyeballs" in the nefarious aspects of that world. Pat's main line of work was cultivating a legendary career as an investigative reporter and he covered the MacDonald case from stem to stern. He was convinced that inmate was guilty and that Stoeckley was a serial fabricator.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com