Jason Bermas - Mommy's basement

dafydd said:
You're comparing Einstein with truthers? That's like comparing an H bomb to a flintlock musket.
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No. a flintlock was actually a pretty good design for its time. More like comparing an H-bomb to a pointy stick that's not actually strong enough or sharp enough to poke your eye out.
 
Triterope said:
You know, this really is a tragedy.

These men's pet movie project turned into a whirlwind internet success, talked about by millions of people. It brought them meetings with celebrities, media interviews, a worshipful fan base, and a role in the national debate about a major historical event. It opened doors in the film and radio industries -- professions people dream of getting into. It made them money. All of this lasted for years.

And now, all three of these men are right back where they started. Or worse. Korey Rowe is facing a jail term for dealing heroin. Jason Bermas has a low-wage kitchen job while he begs for money to start a radio show. Dylan Avery announced his intention to become a "legitimate" director, but there is no evidence he's ever been so much as a camera assistant.

Where did it all go?

Not just the money. But the powerful people who were once interested in them. The opportunities to learn new skills. The contacts they made. The admirers they once had.

They wasted it all.

It should have been easy for Dylan Avery to get a job on a film crew, or Jason Bermas a radio show. It's all about who you know, and they knew people. Either one of them could have leveraged Loose Change into a media career. The film wouldn't have hurt them; lots of media figures got their start in, shall we say, less-reputable productions.

Not only that, Loose Change gave them opportunities to learn their craft -- paid opportunities, even -- and they failed to learn a single thing. The last version of LC shows no improvement in technical proficiency from the first. Bermas is a terrible radio host: sloppy, uninteresting, and dull. Bermas could have learned a thing or two from Alex Jones. He didn't. It boggles my mind that Avery and Bermas were so completely disinterested in learning anything about the very careers they wanted for themselves.

Film schools and communications departments all over this nation are full of talented kids who'll never get one of the opportunities these guys had, much less all of them. These guys had a one-in-a-million chance, and killed it through their own laziness and ignorance. And that's a tragedy.
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Perhaps they should have started their film careers in Baltimore?
 
Triterope said:
You know, this really is a tragedy.

These men's pet movie project turned into a whirlwind internet success, talked about by millions of people. It brought them meetings with celebrities, media interviews, a worshipful fan base, and a role in the national debate about a major historical event. It opened doors in the film and radio industries -- professions people dream of getting into. It made them money. All of this lasted for years.

And now, all three of these men are right back where they started. Or worse. Korey Rowe is facing a jail term for dealing heroin. Jason Bermas has a low-wage kitchen job while he begs for money to start a radio show. Dylan Avery announced his intention to become a "legitimate" director, but there is no evidence he's ever been so much as a camera assistant.

Where did it all go?

Not just the money. But the powerful people who were once interested in them. The opportunities to learn new skills. The contacts they made. The admirers they once had.

They wasted it all.

It should have been easy for Dylan Avery to get a job on a film crew, or Jason Bermas a radio show. It's all about who you know, and they knew people. Either one of them could have leveraged Loose Change into a media career. The film wouldn't have hurt them; lots of media figures got their start in, shall we say, less-reputable productions.

Not only that, Loose Change gave them opportunities to learn their craft -- paid opportunities, even -- and they failed to learn a single thing. The last version of LC shows no improvement in technical proficiency from the first. Bermas is a terrible radio host: sloppy, uninteresting, and dull. Bermas could have learned a thing or two from Alex Jones. He didn't. It boggles my mind that Avery and Bermas were so completely disinterested in learning anything about the very careers they wanted for themselves.

Film schools and communications departments all over this nation are full of talented kids who'll never get one of the opportunities these guys had, much less all of them. These guys had a one-in-a-million chance, and killed it through their own laziness and ignorance. And that's a tragedy.
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This is a very interesting point. My take on this is quite the opposite.

You're making quite an assumption that Dylan and his friends didn't ask for help. I presume they did and nothing much came of it.

LC is not a technically good film. It is factually incorrect and, despite numerous revisions, still full of errors. These are not good pieces of film. You wouldn't want them on your resume as an exmaple of technical skill. While millions will watch it for free on Youtube, making things for money is a different game.

I doubt that anyone who has met these guys has left feeling impresssed or willing to make a difference to their career. It's not just those posting on the JREF that leave this feeling, this is general impression of the 911 conspiracy crowd. There's a reason why it's Steve 'Cold Fusion' Jones and Dick Gage leading the charge and not Noam Chomsky and Amy Goodman. The whole thing was a silly idea from the start and virtually any major name involved has dropped out since then.
 
Scott Sommers said:
This is a very interesting point. My take on this is quite the opposite.

You're making quite an assumption that Dylan and his friends didn't ask for help. I presume they did and nothing much came of it.
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The situation reminds me of Dirk Diggler from "Boogie Nights". He thought he could parlay his success as a porn star into a singing career, but soon realized that he was only a big shot within his tiny little subculture. Most people hadn't heard of him.
 
aggle-rithm said:
The situation reminds me of Dirk Diggler from "Boogie Nights". He thought he could parlay his success as a porn star into a singing career, but soon realized that he was only a big shot within his tiny little subculture. Most people hadn't heard of him.
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Exactly! Excellent comparison! And didn't end up having to sell himself on the street? Is that the next step for our Loose Change heroes?
 
carlitos said:
None, he's lying. Anyone who calls Hartsfield airport a "police state" has never been to the real thing, and his hubris insults the many millions unfortunate to find themselves living in a real police state.

But hey, once you decide that tens of thousands of your fellow americans are silent about a conspiracy to murder 3,000 people and tank the global economy, what's the big leap to pissing on the plight of millions of unfortunates?
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I think the same thing whenever one of these turdballs makes such a comment. My parents and other relatives had to flee Nazi Europe, my grandfather died in a camp, I visited Hungary and East Germany (including East Berlin) before the wall came down and I've met people were tortured when Brazil was a police state and others who fled Vietnam, Pinochet's Chile, Castro's Cuba and the USSR. MM is an idiot.

Now if he'd compared O'Hare to a police state he'd have had a point:D
 
carlitos said:
None, he's lying. Anyone who calls Hartsfield airport a "police state" has never been to the real thing, and his hubris insults the many millions unfortunate to find themselves living in a real police state.

But hey, once you decide that tens of thousands of your fellow americans are silent about a conspiracy to murder 3,000 people and tank the global economy, what's the big leap to pissing on the plight of millions of unfortunates?
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I agree with you in general. 9/11 truthers are small, insignificant people and the routinely make @#$% up to make themselves seem bigger than they are.

However I had a similar exchange once with another truther who posts here and I asked her which police state she lived in. It turns out she is a german citizen living in the eastern half of the country and is old enough to have lived there under the Stazis reign of terror during the waning years of the Cold War.

It's not impossible that Miragememories has actually visited or even lived in a police state. But if he is going to make that claim, then he needs to back it up.

Lenbrazil - I am sorry for what your family went through during the war. When people like 9/11 truthers take control of a nations government, the suffering of their victims is incalculable.
 
Fair point SOT. I also mistakenly said "fellow Americans" when MM might be Canadian. As you say, he's welcome to provide evidence for his visits to real police states. If he's non-American, he could visit Cuba for instance.
 
Scott Sommers said:
You're making quite an assumption that Dylan and his friends didn't ask for help. I presume they did and nothing much came of it.
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Good point. The reason I think they didn't try was because Avery would announce every tiny little thing as proof of the coming greatness of Loose Change. Remember 3000 screens? Remember 12 countries? Remember Mark Cuban? These were all preliminary inquiries that never went anywhere, as so often happens in Hollywood, but Avery announced them to his fans as if they were closed deals. I would have expected the tiniest hint of a real Hollywood career to be sung to the rooftops.

Scott Sommers said:
LC is not a technically good film. You wouldn't want them on your resume as an exmaple of technical skill.
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True, but Avery's marketable skill wasn't technique. His skill was in presenting the material in an effective way. Lots of people tried making 9-11 conspiracy videos -- including veterans of the art like Alex Jones -- but only LC really caught on. It even buried From Freedom To Fascism, made by a real filmmaker, Aaron Russo. Don't ask me to quantify it, but something made his movie succeed where so many others failed.

And as much as we mock Loose Change's fan base as being 20-something males, that is a difficult-to-reach demographic. If nothing else, I'd think marketers and advertisers could find some lessons in LC.

There's a reason why it's Steve 'Cold Fusion' Jones and Dick Gage leading the charge and not Noam Chomsky and Amy Goodman. The whole thing was a silly idea from the start and virtually any major name involved has dropped out since then.
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I think that was just one factor, and one of questionable importance. Daniel Sunjata's involvement with LC doesn't seem to have hurt his career. A-List celebrities Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen acknowledged it without their reputations being hurt. And this was 4-6 years ago, at the height of the movie's hype arc, and also of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Movie and TV deals fail to materialize for many reasons. We don't know why things like the View appearance and the Mark Cuban thing fell through for Dylan Avery. Personally, I think mainstream cinematic distribution of LC was never financially viable, since its appeal was way too narrow and the movie was already on the Internet for free. That's ignoring the rights problems, the toxic subject matter, the technical deficiencies and so on.

Getting back to the original proposition... I think there were a lot of reasons these guys failed to leverage Loose Change into legitimate careers. It probably wasn't as simple as I suggested. Still, they don't seem to have gained anything from the experience.
 
Uh, Rosie O Donnell's support of 9/11 Truth was a major reason she lost her gig on the View, and she has not really been heard of isnce.
 
CompusMentus said:
Too true.

SO...

How does cooperman feel about Bermas and Averys disgusting insinuations about Bernard Brown for instance?


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That's a video I made and I haven't watched it in a while. Bermas was obviously lying in the Alex Jones show clip I used and trying to shift the blame to Avery. Bermas was trying to distance himself from the accusation made about Brown, Sr.
 
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