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There was a time when I would have said, "not all republicans" but those republicans have all left the party. Seriously, my dad was a republican for 60 years but left the party. If you lose a guy like that, WTF?

And, "you too" alert, I'd argue the dems aren't far behind. They've worked pretty hard to ensure that the worst possible republicans get through the primaries. Granted, crazy party and a party working hard to ensure their craziest opponents are their only opponents aren't exactly the same thing.
 
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Pretty sure tis your birthday.


There was a time when I would have said, "not all republicans" but those republicans have all left the party. Seriously, my dad was a republican for 60 years but left the party. If you lose a guy like that, WTF?

And, "you too" alert, I'd argue the dems aren't far behind. They've worked pretty hard to ensure that the worst possible republicans get through the primaries. Granted, crazy party and a party working hard to ensure their craziest opponents are their only opponents aren't exactly the same thing.

My dad was a Montana born (1928) and raised 20 yr. Air Force officer and Korean War veteran and a Republican. He became a Democrat as did my
mom . They said they didn't leave the GOP; it left them.
 
Pretty sure tis your birthday.


There was a time when I would have said, "not all republicans" but those republicans have all left the party. Seriously, my dad was a republican for 60 years but left the party. If you lose a guy like that, WTF?

And, "you too" alert, I'd argue the dems aren't far behind. They've worked pretty hard to ensure that the worst possible republicans get through the primaries. Granted, crazy party and a party working hard to ensure their craziest opponents are their only opponents aren't exactly the same thing.

You're blaming the Democrats for the kind of Republicans that win Republican primaries?

It is no one's fault for the state of the Republican party other than its supporters. When are Republicans going to take responsibility for something?
 
You're blaming the Democrats for the kind of Republicans that win Republican primaries?

It is no one's fault for the state of the Republican party other than its supporters. When are Republicans going to take responsibility for something?

When heck freezes over?
 
You're blaming the Democrats for the kind of Republicans that win Republican primaries?

It is no one's fault for the state of the Republican party other than its supporters. When are Republicans going to take responsibility for something?

The dems literally spent money on ads in republican primaries saying things like "this guy is too conservative for our district", in some cases they spent more money than the MAGA candidates. So yes, I am blaming them. In part anyway. Its a seriously gross tactic to help get a guy elected then run against him has a threat to democracy. They did this in the district that was represented by one of the few Republicans that voted for trump's impeachment.

Meijer ran for reelection in the district for the 2022 elections.[26] His primary opponent was John Gibbs, a former Trump administration official.[27] In the final days of the primary, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee bought TV ads designed to raise Gibbs' profile, believing that Meijer would be the more difficult opponent in the general election.[27] Meijer lost the August 2 primary to Gibbs.[28] Meijer said he would not support Gibbs in the November election.[29] In November 2022, Gibbs lost the general election to Meijer's 2020 opponent, Democrat Hillary Scholten.[30]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Meijer

So, yes, I am partially blaming the Dems. Sure, the republicans that voted for gibbs are more at fault, they voted for the guy but the Dems are making America worse too. They did this in a number of races, this is just the worst example.

When will dems start taking responsibility for their part in this? Already answered by Trustbutverify.
 
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You're blaming the Democrats for the kind of Republicans that win Republican primaries?

It is no one's fault for the state of the Republican party other than its supporters. When are Republicans going to take responsibility for something?

I believe they're referring to the fact Democrats spent time and money promoting the more crazy Republicans in various primaries because they thought they'd be easier to beat in the general election. If any of those crazies end up getting elected, it would be fair to say the democrats helped them get elected by promoting them over less crazy Republicans.

ETA: ahhell beat me to a response :)
 
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While I certainly agree Democratic "leadership" should not be doing that, right-wingers don't get to cry about someone propping up the nutjobs their party panders to.
 
While I certainly agree Democratic "leadership" should not be doing that, right-wingers don't get to cry about someone propping up the nutjobs their party panders to.

I get to, I'm not voting for them, I can and will point out the gross tactic of propping up the worst version of your opposition because you think they are easier to beat, especially when they then cry about what a threat to democracy those nut jobs are.
 
I believe they're referring to the fact Democrats spent time and money promoting the more crazy Republicans in various primaries because they thought they'd be easier to beat in the general election. If any of those crazies end up getting elected, it would be fair to say the democrats helped them get elected by promoting them over less crazy Republicans.

ETA: ahhell beat me to a response :)

That was in the 2022 election. DID any of those crazies end up getting elected?
 
The dems literally spent money on ads in republican primaries saying things like "this guy is too conservative for our district", in some cases they spent more money than the MAGA candidates. So yes, I am blaming them. In part anyway. Its a seriously gross tactic to help get a guy elected then run against him has a threat to democracy. They did this in the district that was represented by one of the few Republicans that voted for trump's impeachment.
You are blaming the "dems" for running attack ads against a Republican candidate for the Republican nomination instead of waiting to run similar attack ads in the general election. That strikes me as an odd thing to be upset about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Meijer

So, yes, I am partially blaming the Dems. Sure, the republicans that voted for gibbs are more at fault, they voted for the guy but the Dems are making America worse too. They did this in a number of races, this is just the worst example.
In that "worst example", the "Dems" attacked a Republican for being "too conservative for our district". Those attack ads proved correct, as that particular Republican (John Gibbs) defeated the incumbent Republican (Peter Meijer) in the Republican primary (because the Republican voters of that district were crazy enough to think "too conservative for our district" is a good thing) but lost in the general election (because Gibbs really was "too crazy for our district").

I believe they're referring to the fact Democrats spent time and money promoting the more crazy Republicans in various primaries because they thought they'd be easier to beat in the general election. If any of those crazies end up getting elected, it would be fair to say the democrats helped them get elected by promoting them over less crazy Republicans.
We live in crazy times when attacking a Republican as "too conservative for our district" counts as promoting that candidate.

Most candidates prefer to face a weak opponent in the general election. To improve their chances of facing a weak opponent, they sometimes resort to chicanery. In that particular primary election of 2022, however, the attack ads were not dishonest chicanery. They were accurate attack ads designed to exploit the foolishness of Republican primary voters. When the opposing party is dominated by idiots, it's fair to highlight the idiocy.

That was in the 2022 election. DID any of those crazies end up getting elected?
In the particular election cited by ahhell and The_Animus, the Republican nominee (John Gibbs) was defeated in the general election, precisely because he was "too conservative for our district".

ahhell thinks that's the "worst example". Evidently the worst example ahhell could think of to cite consisted of truthful attack ads that, if they had any influence at all, contributed to the Republican nominee's defeat in the general election. It's hard to see how that particular example counts as evidence for the idea that those campaign tactics helped "crazies end up getting elected".
 
That was in the 2022 election. DID any of those crazies end up getting elected?

Even if none of them did (I honestly don't know), there's a big problem with platforming them and pushing the Overton window further right.

Perhaps if the DCCC had not broken its own rule about staying out of primaries, it would have had more money to spend on the general and actually keep the House.
 
You are blaming the "dems" for running attack ads against a Republican candidate for the Republican nomination instead of waiting to run similar attack ads in the general election. That strikes me as an odd thing to be upset about.


In that "worst example", the "Dems" attacked a Republican for being "too conservative for our district". Those attack ads proved correct, as that particular Republican (John Gibbs) defeated the incumbent Republican (Peter Meijer) in the Republican primary (because the Republican voters of that district were crazy enough to think "too conservative for our district" is a good thing) but lost in the general election (because Gibbs really was "too crazy for our district").


We live in crazy times when attacking a Republican as "too conservative for our district" counts as promoting that candidate.

Most candidates prefer to face a weak opponent in the general election. To improve their chances of facing a weak opponent, they sometimes resort to chicanery. In that particular primary election of 2022, however, the attack ads were not dishonest chicanery. They were accurate attack ads designed to exploit the foolishness of Republican primary voters. When the opposing party is dominated by idiots, it's fair to highlight the idiocy.


In the particular election cited by ahhell and The_Animus, the Republican nominee (John Gibbs) was defeated in the general election, precisely because he was "too conservative for our district".

ahhell thinks that's the "worst example". Evidently the worst example ahhell could think of to cite consisted of truthful attack ads that, if they had any influence at all, contributed to the Republican nominee's defeat in the general election. It's hard to see how that particular example counts as evidence for the idea that those campaign tactics helped "crazies end up getting elected".

Nice! I see now how the dems are just righteous defenders of democracy. They weren't deliberately sabotaging a reasonable republican with adds that were clearly intended to benefit the crazy republican at all. They were just informing the electorate. What a nice thing for them to do.
 
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You are blaming the "dems" for running attack ads against a Republican candidate for the Republican nomination instead of waiting to run similar attack ads in the general election. That strikes me as an odd thing to be upset about.


In that "worst example", the "Dems" attacked a Republican for being "too conservative for our district". Those attack ads proved correct, as that particular Republican (John Gibbs) defeated the incumbent Republican (Peter Meijer) in the Republican primary (because the Republican voters of that district were crazy enough to think "too conservative for our district" is a good thing) but lost in the general election (because Gibbs really was "too crazy for our district").


We live in crazy times when attacking a Republican as "too conservative for our district" counts as promoting that candidate.

Most candidates prefer to face a weak opponent in the general election. To improve their chances of facing a weak opponent, they sometimes resort to chicanery. In that particular primary election of 2022, however, the attack ads were not dishonest chicanery. They were accurate attack ads designed to exploit the foolishness of Republican primary voters. When the opposing party is dominated by idiots, it's fair to highlight the idiocy.


In the particular election cited by ahhell and The_Animus, the Republican nominee (John Gibbs) was defeated in the general election, precisely because he was "too conservative for our district". ahhell thinks that's the "worst example". Evidently the worst example ahhell could think of to cite consisted of truthful attack ads that, if they had any influence at all, contributed to the Republican nominee's defeat in the general election. It's hard to see how that particular example counts as evidence for the idea that those campaign tactics helped "crazies end up getting elected".

Even if none of them did (I honestly don't know), there's a big problem with platforming them and pushing the Overton window further right.

Perhaps if the DCCC had not broken its own rule about staying out of primaries, it would have had more money to spend on the general and actually keep the House.

According to W.D. Clinger's post above, that's not what happened.
Historically, mid-term Congressional elections, as was 2022, usually favor the opposing party of the serving President.

Why The President’s Party Almost Always Has A Bad Midterm

One of the most ironclad rules in American politics is that the president’s party loses ground in midterm elections. Almost no president is immune. President George W. Bush’s Republicans took a “thumping” in 2006. President Barack Obama’s Democrats received a “shellacking” in 2010. President Donald Trump’s Republicans were buried under a blue wave in 2018. And the results out of Virginia and New Jersey last November suggest that a red wave might hit President Biden’s Democrats in 2022.

Remember, too, that the 2022 mid-terms were supposed to be a red wave but turned out to be a pink ripple.
 
Nice! I see now how the dems are just righteous defenders of democracy. They weren't deliberately sabotaging a reasonable republican with adds that were clearly intended to benefit the crazy republican at all. They were just informing the electorate. What a nice thing for them to do.

No one forced anyone to vote for Gibbs in the primaries. That was the GOP voters' choice. If they had wanted a 'reasonable' candidate, they'd have voted for him no matter what the Dems said. This blaming the Dems is not well founded.
 

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