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Jackson news coverage.

Yesterday, Talk Of The Nation had two guys on who were supposed to be discussing Jackson's "legacy". They got into a shouting match over who was more influential; Jackson or Elvis Presley.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I find it worrisome that his death gets so much news coverage considering it was a suicide, which are known to cause copycat suicides. But what can one expect, it's the same media that keeps broadcasting footage from 9/11 and other disasters, despite all the traumatized people who suffer emotionally because of this.
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Any evidence Jackson committed suicide?
 
Bikewer said:
Yesterday, Talk Of The Nation had two guys on who were supposed to be discussing Jackson's "legacy". They got into a shouting match over who was more influential; Jackson or Elvis Presley.
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Elvis:No debate. The guy changed the course of popular music. Rock, the dominent pop music for the last 50 years was pretty much founded by Elvis.
Jackson was talented, but you cannot say the same about him.
 
Damien Evans said:
Any evidence Jackson committed suicide?
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Nope,none.
From all we have heard, it sounds a lot more like another accidental overdose of prescription meds.
An am I the only one who found the 9/11 comparasion made in the post under discussion to be offensive?
 
Elvis made Michael Jackson possible. By that I mean, Elvis helped make "black music" aka rock and roll acceptable to whites in a pre-civil-rights era America. Without Elvis, the white audience for Michael Jackson would have been a tougher build, and without a white audience, Michael Jackson would have been a specialty music act as opposed to a global sensation. I don't know that anyone can realistically say that one is better than the other, more important, etc. They didn't compete, comercially, head to head and both were deeply influential in different ways...

Would someone please exaplain to me, however, why all the praise for Jackson as a humanitarian? Was the $500 million he owed his creditors spent on charity or supporting his own inflated life-style? Did he do international aid work like Bono or Angelina Jolie, or did he just occasionally assert that he was helping children and than go off and spend more money on himself? What has he changed? What hospitals did he build in poor neighborhoods? What schools?

It seems to me, it was all about Michael Jackson and his love for "humanity" was that sort of etherial entertainer's love of the audience and the fans, not of really making a difference. He's no humanitrain legacy, IMO. Please help me understand.
 
Norway has a strong journalistic code against mentioning suicide in the news. That seems to be the impetus for Safe-Keeper's complaint, but the odd thing is that the word suicide isn't being mentioned in the press coverage of Jackson's death. Now if, he had in fact committed suicide, then I'd say the media are following the Norwegian model very closely, so then Safe-Keeper should have nothing to complain about then. I think it will turn out that it was the Diprivan that did him in. Stupidity? Definitely. Suicide? Doubtful. People get themselves killed due to stupidity or ignorance all the time, but these are not classified as suicides.
 
Psi Baba said:
Norway has a strong journalistic code against mentioning suicide in the news. That seems to be the impetus for Safe-Keeper's complaint, but the odd thing is that the word suicide isn't being mentioned in the press coverage of Jackson's death. Now if, he had in fact committed suicide, then I'd say the media are following the Norwegian model very closely, so then Safe-Keeper should have nothing to complain about then. I think it will turn out that it was the Diprivan that did him in. Stupidity? Definitely. Suicide? Doubtful. People get themselves killed due to stupidity or ignorance all the time, but these are not classified as suicides.
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Given his deepening and destructive drug use though, you could almost call it a "suicide" in the same way that a heroin addict ODing is something of a suicide. They may not have intended to kill themselves on that last hit - but they were setting themselves up for it for quite a while.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Suicides cause suicides. Celebrity suicides cause even more suicides.

What part of that wasn't clear?
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As mentioned, the part where anyone has suggested Michael offed himself. :confused:

I mean, there was a room full of family members there when he keeled over as well as a doctor in the house. Not exactly the best scenario to work a suicide around.
 
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Psi Baba said:
Norway has a strong journalistic code against mentioning suicide in the news. That seems to be the impetus for Safe-Keeper's complaint, but the odd thing is that the word suicide isn't being mentioned in the press coverage of Jackson's death. Now if, he had in fact committed suicide, then I'd say the media are following the Norwegian model very closely, so then Safe-Keeper should have nothing to complain about then. I think it will turn out that it was the Diprivan that did him in. Stupidity? Definitely. Suicide? Doubtful. People get themselves killed due to stupidity or ignorance all the time, but these are not classified as suicides.
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What does the Norwegian media do when somebody actually commits suicide?
I can understand wanting to avoid sensationalism, but to the extent to denying reality.
 
Odd. I haven't been following the news (kinda hard to do) and was sure he'd intentionally overdosed because he wanted to go out like Elvis. Mea culpa.

As for the Norwegian media, they of course report suicides when it's celebrities, politicians, etc. They also run stories on suicide statistics, prevention measures, etc. But when random people, etc. jump off of cliffs, it's typically ignored.
 
headscratcher4 said:
Elvis made Michael Jackson possible. By that I mean, Elvis helped make "black music" aka rock and roll acceptable to whites in a pre-civil-rights era America. Without Elvis, the white audience for Michael Jackson would have been a tougher build, and without a white audience, Michael Jackson would have been a specialty music act as opposed to a global sensation.
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While the real Elvis certainly had that effect, if we didn't have Elvis, we would have had to invent him. Some other "Elvis" would have had the same effect and many other Elvises did. He was a major contributor, but not the only one.
 
dudalb said:
Elvis:No debate. The guy changed the course of popular music. Rock, the dominent pop music for the last 50 years was pretty much founded by Elvis.
Jackson was talented, but you cannot say the same about him.
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Obviously you didn't hear Sharpless Sharpton liken him to the child prodigy of Mozart --- I almost choked on that one!
 
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