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I've Moved To Mac

We all learned that red means stop, green means go and yellow means minimize the window.
Green means go, yes, but what does that mean in the context of a window on my screen? Where does it 'go'? The trafficlight analogy just doesn't work here.

I want a green button to start something that can be / has been stopped with a red button. A yellow button to pause it would be a nice bonus.

HarryKeogh said:
Can someone tell me how to shut down my PC?
Alt-F4, the same key combination you use to exit applications. (You press 'Start' when you want to do something, even if the 'something' is 'shut down'. )

How do you shut down a Mac? Is there an icon you can throw into a bin?
 
At least you're all too busy sitting on the computer arguing about which stupid operating system is better to drive around shooting each other.
 
If you have to have the icon showing even when you aren't actually using the function (ie, trying to decide whether to close, minimize or maximize) then you are probably too stupid to use a computer, period.

This comment really should have closed the debate... :(
 
... Yes, one has to learn things. But users are not all as inquisitive as some of us are. ...

Okay, I decided to argue with you, again. That is a crazy thing to say. It's lunacy. What on earth are you babbling about?

...ordinary users feel it is an often insurmountable task just to use one program.

Well, yeah, I know they do on Windows, and Linux. That never happens on the Mac.
 
Okay, I decided to argue with you, again. That is a crazy thing to say. It's lunacy. What on earth are you babbling about?

It isn't lunacy (if you have deemed it lunacy, you must know what I am "babbling" about), but reality. Users generally don't explore every crook and nanny of every program they have on their computers. Users are purpose-driven, not feature-driven. They focus on what they want to do, not what they can do.

Take Word: Shock-full of features, yet how many do we actually use?

Isn't it true that, in most cases, we could actually do with Wordpad?

Well, yeah, I know they do on Windows, and Linux. That never happens on the Mac.

Really?

Tell me something: What is it about Mac users that make them inherently more inquisitive than non-Mac users?
 
Okay, I decided to argue with you, again. That is a crazy thing to say. It's lunacy. What on earth are you babbling about?

I find myself having to agree with Claus here, and you know how I hate that.

A majority of users don't know how their computer works and don't care. They want it just to do what they want it to do, and that's all. They won't experiment, they won't click things to see what happens, and they won't read books or do training courses because they beleive that they shouldn't need to. I've worked IT Service Desk for ten years, and believe me, the user who actually takes the time to work out how to use something is in a minority.
 
Wait, which OS is better to drive around shooting each other? I didn't know there was one that could do that!

Well if it's a game it certainly won't be on a Mac*.....




(*Please note I have published very successful games on the Mac platform both directly and via licencing so you don't need to try and tell me the exceptions to the general Rule regarding the Mac as a gaming platform. These comments are meant to be something called "humour" in proper English and "humor" in American (obviously just a sub standard clone of the English language used to avoid paying royalties).)
 
REAL computer users use command line input.

REAL programmers use patch-panels.
 
I've worked IT Service Desk for ten years, and believe me, the user who actually takes the time to work out how to use something is in a minority.

But don't forget they're also the people least likely to come to your professional attention.

I've done tech support work too. When I rule the world, sending emails with all previous correspondence deleted and replaced with "Tried that - didn't work" will be punishable by death.
 
REAL computer users use command line input.

REAL programmers use patch-panels.
Been there, done that.
http://www.imsai.net/
That's what I call an intuitive user interace. :)

One of the highschools I attended (oh, so long ago) had an IMSAI and an Altair. I actually did write a small program in assembler, translate it to binary, it enter through the panel switches, and execute it.
 
... (if you have deemed it lunacy, you must know what I am "babbling" about), ...

That's wrong. It misdefines the word "lunacy." "Lunacy" is not "that which one knows," my brother in monotonous socks.

... Users generally don't explore every crook and nanny of every program they have on their computers. ...

So what?

... Isn't it true that, in most cases, we could actually do with Wordpad?

Do what with WordPad? Play internet radio? I don't think it can. My Dell uses Media Player for that, not WordPad.

... What is it about Mac users that make them inherently more inquisitive than non-Mac users?

The natural question of why anybody would ever want to use Windows, when they have an alternative, is enough to make anybody inquisitive. Oh, I can see why people want to believe that they're the favorites of a higher power, or why people want to believe in an easy herbal cancer cure, and so on. The motivation is obvious. But why anybody would want to use Windows, when they have a choice?? -- it's an eternal mystery.

Oh, my Dell is fine when it's just sitting there playing a flute concerto, as it's doing now, and I can set it and forget it. But for doing something myself, like this, where I must interact (pardon the expression) with the machine, I always reach for the Mac. The reasons are manifold, and have little to do with the small red button at the upper left of this window.
 
That's wrong. It misdefines the word "lunacy." "Lunacy" is not "that which one knows," my brother in monotonous socks.

I didn't say it was. But, if you deem it "lunacy", you must have understood what I said.


So, users don't get the experience of those who do explore everything.

Do what with WordPad? Play internet radio? I don't think it can. My Dell uses Media Player for that, not WordPad.

I didn't say it did. I pointed to Word as an example of an application that very few - if any - uses all the functions.

The natural question of why anybody would ever want to use Windows, when they have an alternative, is enough to make anybody inquisitive. Oh, I can see why people want to believe that they're the favorites of a higher power, or why people want to believe in an easy herbal cancer cure, and so on. The motivation is obvious. But why anybody would want to use Windows, when they have a choice?? -- it's an eternal mystery.

Not at all. People use Windows primarily because it is by far the most popular platform on personal computers.

Oh, my Dell is fine when it's just sitting there playing a flute concerto, as it's doing now, and I can set it and forget it. But for doing something myself, like this, where I must interact (pardon the expression) with the machine, I always reach for the Mac. The reasons are manifold, and have little to do with the small red button at the upper left of this window.

That doesn't answer the question: What is it about Mac users that make them inherently more inquisitive than non-Mac users?
 
Been there, done that.
http://www.imsai.net/
That's what I call an intuitive user interace. :)

One of the highschools I attended (oh, so long ago) had an IMSAI and an Altair. I actually did write a small program in assembler, translate it to binary, it enter through the panel switches, and execute it.
Pffft!

Herewith the type of machine on which I cut my professional teeth! And my knuckles more than once...

Note the toggle switches on the front? You loaded the addresses and the data via them. See they are in groups of THREE? So...octal, not hex? REAL machines, with a REAL MAN'S interface! None of this wimpy WIMP stuff! :D

pdp8l.jpg

http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pics/pdp8l/pdp8l.jpg
 
... But, if you deem it "lunacy", you must have understood what I said.

Wrong. That' isn't what "lunacy" means. As already mentioned.

You're just working on your post count, right?

So, users don't get the experience of those who do explore everything.

And?


... I pointed to Word as an example of an application that very few - if any - uses all the functions.

And?


... People use Windows primarily because it is by far the most popular platform on personal computers.

Sure. Like religion. People tend to share the beliefs of their friends and neighbors.

The popularity of Microsoft Windows is a legacy of the days when IBM was god. It's a cultural artifact.

That doesn't answer the question: ...

Yes, it did.

See, I can just concentrate on boosting my post count, too. ;)
 

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