It's over on Health Care.

[Pardalis]

There is no profit in respecting the wishes of those who wish to destroy and enslave a culture.

Well those people are Americans too, so they're part of your culture, like it or not.

You may like to see yourself as a progressive, but you sound like a little spiteful fascist.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

There is no profit in respecting the wishes of those who wish to destroy and enslave a culture.

That's not really Obama's message is it?

 

[David Wong]

Perhaps in the beginning, but not by me and not by people to whom Obama lied to get elected.

And then the inevitable implementation problems will occur, and the Republicans will harp and harp and harp on them, and public opinion will turn, and in the primary and general, Obama will turn back to us...

...and we won't be there.

All of this is presumed on no public option, the continued stalemate for gay rights, the continued privacy issues, etc., - issues I care most about, plus the Republicans smarting up and not putting someone like Palin forward. Obama can remember his victories in February 2013 back in Chicago if that occurs.

Yes, because all of the fringe leftists like you will vote Republican instead.

Same old, same old. You have to govern to the middle. That's how democracy works.

 

[Marc39]

Link, please.

And why do we care?

Pay it out of pocket like the poor have to now.

I read the article in the hard copy of the Times and don't have a link. The Times was very specific in saying you cannot pay for unlimited healthcare under the plans.

This hits home as a friend of my family recently underwent heart surgery that, all told, cost approx. $1 million for the hospital stay (No exaggeration). He had gold-plated coverage that paid for everything or much of it. He could not do so under these various plans.

 

[leftysergeant]

This hits home as a friend of my family recently underwent heart surgery that, all told, cost approx. $1 million for the hospital stay (No exaggeration). He had gold-plated coverage that paid for everything or much of it. He could not do so under these various plans.

Prove it.

 

[Marc39]

Prove it.

No.

 

[Thunder]

There is no profit in respecting the wishes of those who wish to destroy and enslave a culture.

and those people are?

 

[Thunder]

That is pretty much my view.
But my fighting so hard for the Public Option, Obama is going to make anything less seem like a defeat. .

i disagree. i think Obama can and will spin this as a victory for bipartisanship and for all Americans.

 

[boloboffin]

Yes, because all of the fringe leftists like you will vote Republican instead.

Same old, same old. You have to govern to the middle. That's how democracy works.

Ah, thanks for letting me know you wanted to be on the same list as dudalb with me. Anyone else?

ETA: Go ahead and PM me so we don't derail the thread any further with people attacking me and me not caring. But be nice! A simple "Put me on the list with dudalb" header is sufficient. And wouldn't it be nice if we could ignore people in certain subforums only? Of course that would be the death of this subforum...

 

[Thunder]

Republicans are clearly going nuts over the idea of a co-op alternative to the govt. plan.

this almost ensures a plan will be passed by Congress.

the horror!!!! the horror!!!

 

[Safe-Keeper]

This hits home as a friend of my family recently underwent heart surgery that, all told, cost approx. $1 million for the hospital stay (No exaggeration). He had gold-plated coverage that paid for everything or much of it. He could not do so under these various plans.

I live in Norway and I've never ever heard of one single person who's had to go through heart surgery without the State eating at least a significant portion of the costs.

 

[shuize]

Universal health care sounds like a great idea. As long as someone else is paying for it.

 

[shuize]

I read the article in the hard copy of the Times and don't have a link. The Times was very specific in saying you cannot pay for unlimited healthcare under the plans.

This hits home as a friend of my family recently underwent heart surgery that, all told, cost approx. $1 million for the hospital stay (No exaggeration). He had gold-plated coverage that paid for everything or much of it. He could not do so under these various plans.

A similar story in the U.K.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/w...l?_r=4&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

 

[Marc39]

I live in Norway and I've never ever heard of one single person who's had to go through heart surgery without the State eating at least a significant portion of the costs.

If the person I'm alluding to did not have the finest healthcare insurance, he would be dead. Between doctors and nurses, a total of 72 people cared for him.

Not so in the Obamanation.

 

[Thunder]

If the person I'm alluding did not have the finest healthcare insurance, he would be dead. Between doctors and nurses, a total of 72 people cared for him.

Not so in the Obamanation.

lie. lies is all they have.

 

[shuize]

I just finished this article about the NHS:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/weekinreview/16lyall.html?_r=1&hpw

My favorite passage:

Told my husband needed a sophisticated blood test from a particular doctor, I telephoned her office, only to be told there was a four-month wait.

“But I’m a private patient,” I said.

“Then we can see you tomorrow,” the secretary said.

 

[boooeee]

When did we decide that the public option was the only part of the plan worth doing?

The idea is to get those tens of millions of uninsured in the pool, and to help the people who are getting left out in the cold by shady insurance practices. The bill still is about preventing them from denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions etc, still introduces competition (including non-profit competition funded by public money at start-up) to try to force these prices down.

The public option wasn't even 10% of what he was trying to do here. It was, however, the most expensive and most contentious part.

This is how compromise works.

What he said. The public option debate was a sideshow.

It's not "over".

 

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

What he said. The public option debate was a sideshow.

It's not "over".

And this certainly isn't the first major thing that Obama has compromised on. He made a major concession to the pharmaceutical industry that, for whatever reason, doesn't seem to bother many people.

It is also interesting how the whole debate has been spun from "healthcare reform" to "health insurance" reform.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I just finished this article about the NHS:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/weekinreview/16lyall.html?_r=1&hpw

My favorite passage:

Of course, the problem with that is if the blood tests find something that will be a life long disease/illness then the guy will be passed right on back to the NHS. Private healthcare in the UK does not like the big nasty messy problems. It might be efficient for your anemia or sprained ankles, but get a health issue that's serious, complicated and on-going? Bye bye insurance, hello NHS.

 

[leftysergeant]

Well those people are Americans too, so they're part of your culture, like it or not.

So are the KKK.