There we go. Shawmutt, if anyone asks, tell them you've already been innoculated against swine flu, and let somebody else have your dose.
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It's official, we survived H1N1
cisco
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How does a 19 year old die from the flu? Is it dehydration, organ failure, hemorrhaging, what? Was he or she healthy beforehand?
JoeTheJuggler
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I suppose it depends on how you use the term "usually". Most people who get the flu aren't even hospitalized, yet, the CDC says:
CDC said:
My guess is that many (perhaps most?) of the 30,000 or so that die from normal, seasonal flu each year end up in the ICU near the end.
The presidential panel said, depending on the timing of things (especially how quickly the vaccine gets out), the H1N1 epidemic could mean 30-50% of the population gets sick. Even if the total number of deaths aren't significantly higher, such a huge increase in the number of people missing work (and parents having to stay home with sick school-age children since normal daycare centers won't accept a kid with the flu) could present a huge economic problem. This is all specifically aside from the burden it would place on our healthcare system.
Fulminant respiratory failure, requiring her to be placed on extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO) for about a week to rest her lungs. She died when they tried to wean her off of it.
I didn't treat her, but from what I understand she was healthy until she got the virus. Probably got a large virus load as part of the initial infection, which can make a difference.
~Dr. Imago
Skeptical Greg
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Since when have day care centers been diagnosing disease and excluding suspected flu carriers ?
Eos of the Eons
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Kids aren't allowed in daycare if they have a fever, diarrhea, or are throwing up. Most fluish kids at least have fevers.
cisco
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How would you get (or avoid getting
) a large virus load as part of the initial infection? I'm not disputing what you say - I'm trying to educate myself about precautions. I've been a little paranoid about disease ever since I saw Outbreak 
.Deranged
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Couldn't pay me to take it. Has SQUALENE in it that causes GULF WAR SYNDROME. Look at www.askapatient.com and read what the tamiflu takers have to say about that particular drug too.
H1N1 was possibly made in a lab to put BILLIONS of dollars into the pharma industry.
H1N1 was possibly made in a lab to put BILLIONS of dollars into the pharma industry.
Deranged
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I've heard they die drowning in blood. Their lungs bleed and the blood comes out of their eyes and ears and they call this pneumonia. One third of children who die from swine flu had asthma. The others had autoimmune diseases.
Takes a day for the virus to get from the throat to the lungs so we gargle with Listerine each day and take Sambucus syrup (elderberry syrup).
Takes a day for the virus to get from the throat to the lungs so we gargle with Listerine each day and take Sambucus syrup (elderberry syrup).
Nosi
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My PCP (primary care physician) wouldn't let me out of his office with out an armful of type A flu vaccine. I am a high risk patient as far as that bug is concerned as I have asthma and a number of other problems. There's no vaccine for H1N1, but we could nip the more standard bag yet potentially equally deadly bag of cooties in the bud.
As for daycares not admitting sick kids, kids and germs are a ghastly combo. Kids touch everything, and everything goes in their mouths, and sometimes up their noses. If their young enough, you can add diapers into the mix, and even the cleanest daycare can't keep every virus or bacteria at bay.
As for daycares not admitting sick kids, kids and germs are a ghastly combo. Kids touch everything, and everything goes in their mouths, and sometimes up their noses. If their young enough, you can add diapers into the mix, and even the cleanest daycare can't keep every virus or bacteria at bay.
The Kilted Yaksman
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Surely you have some proof of this, right? If not I would recommend you take this opinion to the Conspiracy sub-forum.
No influenza vaccine, including the pandemic vaccines, contains squalene or any other adjuvant.
Safe-Keeper
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What on earth is the point of an "Ask a Patient" site, anyhow? Is it really that smart to view medicines like video games, as something you decide to buy or not buy based on the user reviews of random strangers?
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Let me give a related anecdote: my mother was fairly upset some days ago because someone on the news had claimed one shouldn't make money off of running day care centres. She told me that in our area there are four daycare centres, all private, and that the woman running the day care centre she used to work at put her heart and soul into it and went through some really, really hard times when they undertook to move to a new, bigger building and it took longer than expected to get finished.
Why am I telling you this? Because it's yet another example of how certain areas of employ, for some mysterious reasons, are held to unrealistic standards for arbitrary, romantic reasons. You can work your butt off to produce a good car and everyone expects you to get paid, but work twice as hard to produce a movie or video game, or run a daycare centre, and all of a sudden you're greedy when you expect to get paid.
We mass-produce just about everything we can mass-produce these days, from DVD's and airplanes to toothbrushes and soda. No one lifts an eyebrow, and the fact that we have machines and large factories with which to do so effectively is considered a good thing. I mean, as I said earlier, no one goes around saying they don't dare fly with Boeing's planes because they're mass-produced by machines in aircraft factories, for profits. No one demands Toyota stops making cars out of synthetic materials. No one boycotts newspapers because they use printers instead of Gutenberg-style printing presses.
Then attention shifts to a romanticized field of employ and all of a sudden work must be done in a crude way, for little or no monetary gain, by determined workers (or preferably volunteers) who do it because they don't have anything better to do. It really, really, really gets to me.
Deranged, are you terrified every time you ride a plane? After all, it was most likely developed in a lab to put BILLIONS of dollars into the aeronautical industry.
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And?
Let me give a related anecdote: my mother was fairly upset some days ago because someone on the news had claimed one shouldn't make money off of running day care centres. She told me that in our area there are four daycare centres, all private, and that the woman running the day care centre she used to work at put her heart and soul into it and went through some really, really hard times when they undertook to move to a new, bigger building and it took longer than expected to get finished.
Why am I telling you this? Because it's yet another example of how certain areas of employ, for some mysterious reasons, are held to unrealistic standards for arbitrary, romantic reasons. You can work your butt off to produce a good car and everyone expects you to get paid, but work twice as hard to produce a movie or video game, or run a daycare centre, and all of a sudden you're greedy when you expect to get paid.
We mass-produce just about everything we can mass-produce these days, from DVD's and airplanes to toothbrushes and soda. No one lifts an eyebrow, and the fact that we have machines and large factories with which to do so effectively is considered a good thing. I mean, as I said earlier, no one goes around saying they don't dare fly with Boeing's planes because they're mass-produced by machines in aircraft factories, for profits. No one demands Toyota stops making cars out of synthetic materials. No one boycotts newspapers because they use printers instead of Gutenberg-style printing presses.
Then attention shifts to a romanticized field of employ and all of a sudden work must be done in a crude way, for little or no monetary gain, by determined workers (or preferably volunteers) who do it because they don't have anything better to do. It really, really, really gets to me.
Deranged, are you terrified every time you ride a plane? After all, it was most likely developed in a lab to put BILLIONS of dollars into the aeronautical industry.
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Praktik
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I have often promoted the "forest fire" approach to human progress. For a forest, a fire is a dreadful occurrence for living things at the moment it happens - but it also clears out the dead wood and allows for the forest to thrive in future years.
I take this approach with global warming and pollution - thinking that the costs will have to be much more dramatic, widespread and deadly before serious action is taken.
And I think the same thing is going to have to happen with the anti-vaccination movement. I am sad to say but it really appears like its gathering steam.
Give us a few polio outbreaks and some healthy kids dying from complications to measles though - and we can make a dent. But I really think to peel off the "normal" people who respond to anti-vax propaganda and leave the hard core of crazies behind that we're going to have to see the bitter fruit of the movement take hold first.
pgwenthold
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Safe-Keeper - please reread the sentence you quoted. I think you missed something (actually, I think you added something)
Safe-Keeper
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Aaaaaaah. :facepalm:
I did indeed misread the sentence. Thought it was yet another person making an unfounded statement on vaccinations. Relieved to have been proven wrong
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Eos of the Eons
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Squalene is an antixoidant. It's in your sebum, and is a pre-curser to cholesterol. It's completely natural to your body, even injected. And, they've been using it safely in vaccines in Europe for over a decade now.
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shawmutt
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Is that why your father smelled of elderberries? (Sorry, couldn't resist)
Anyway, deranged folks aside, I decided to take your guys' advice and took my name off the pandemic H1N1 mist list. We're all still getting the regular flu shot.
Deranged
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Would you say squalene is dangerous so it's not in any vaccines? I have read that it isn't in any of the TESTING swine vaccines; they left it out in those..hmm