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kookbreaker said:


Same difference.
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Well then why are the three pyramids placed like the three Orion Belt stars? Isn't that an obvious observation? I'd be curious to take a map of the Nile river and see if other pyramids match with other constellations and stars. In fact, I'll look it up on the net right now.

I think everyone should make a little research in that direction and see if things match up. Especially if it doesn't match with what egyptologists say.
 
Frostbite said:


Well then why are the three pyramids placed like the three Orion Belt stars? Isn't that an obvious observation? I'd be curious to take a map of the Nile river and see if other pyramids match with other constellations and stars. In fact, I'll look it up on the net right now.

I think everyone should make a little research in that direction and see if things match up. Especially if it doesn't match with what egyptologists say.
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How can anyone know that the Egyptions even considered Orion, or even the three stars, that we see as the belt, to be a constellation or part of one?
 
Frostbite said:
Well then why are the three pyramids placed like the three Orion Belt stars? Isn't that an obvious observation? I'd be curious to take a map of the Nile river and see if other pyramids match with other constellations and stars. In fact, I'll look it up on the net right now.

I think everyone should make a little research in that direction and see if things match up. Especially if it doesn't match with what egyptologists say.
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Before I head off to the library, just answer this: Is it just that they are lined up, 3 in a row, that makes the connection to Orion? Is there more of Orion in this puzzle than the belt? The reason I ask is that, gee, I can't imagine another reason to line 3 things up in a row other than to mirror Orion's belt.
 
And I suppose you have a better idea? Why do you think the three pyramids at Giza were built that way? There certainly must be a reason why the Menkaura pyramid is slightly offset? You actually think it's RANDOM? Look, I'm not arguing against you, I'm arguing with you. I'm curious, I wanna know, and I believe that when you're building the single biggest structure in the history of mankind, you're not gonna build it at random. Certainly the Egyptian people had a grand design in mind, linked to strong religious beliefs. I'm not satisfied with what my egyptology books and you folks are telling me. And I don't like your general attitude, the sarcastic remarks. It makes debating a pain in the ass.

And as for Orion and its link to Osiris and Giza, some sources have different versions. Alternative sources are ready to accept that as fact because it supports their pet theories. But official sources (I'll have to spend time at the bookstore) seem to be more hesitant.
 
Frostbite said:

Well then why are the three pyramids placed like the three Orion Belt stars? Isn't that an obvious observation? I'd be curious to take a map of the Nile river and see if other pyramids match with other constellations and stars. In fact, I'll look it up on the net right now.
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Three things in an off center line does not make for an imitation of Orion's belt. The geography at Giza had more to do with the selection of the pyramid's location than any bit of Orion.

The correlation fails. The Nile is supposed to be representing the milky way, and the SPhinx is Leo, but the Sphinx is on the wrong side of the river. The scale of the thing fails too. There's actually a host of location problems. Some pyramids are conveniently forgotten sice they don't make a neat fit. Not having my maps with me, I cannot comment much more than that.

I think everyone should make a little research in that direction and see if things match up. Especially if it doesn't match with what egyptologists say.
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You seem to think that I have not already done research about this. But yes, you should do research on your own. Just be careful about the sheer volume of woowoo sites out there.
 
Frostbite said:
And I suppose you have a better idea? Why do you think the three pyramids at Giza were built that way? There certainly must be a reason why the Menkaura pyramid is slightly offset? You actually think it's RANDOM? Look, I'm not arguing against you, I'm arguing with you. I'm curious, I wanna know, and I believe that when you're building the single biggest structure in the history of mankind, you're not gonna build it at random.
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No you're going to build where you want it within the limits of the local geography. Giza is a plateau, you can't just put things willy nilly on a limited space like that. Too close to the edge of the plateau and you'll invite a host of problems. People building shore houses try to ignore these problems, but the Egyptians did not.
 
That's one possibility. Another possibility is they built it that way for symbolic reasons. We're dealing with religious beliefs here, and all religious sites are built in a certain way to reflect religious symbols, as numbers, angles, specific icons, alignments, positions, etc. Just check any religious temple, wether it's the Taj Mahal, the Notre-Dame cathedral, Stonehenge, anything. Chances are, the builders are building certain features for a reason. And chances are the Giza pyramids are no exception. I don't see why anyone would completely reject that possibility.
 
Frostbite said:
That's one possibility. Another possibility is they built it that way for symbolic reasons. We're dealing with religious beliefs here, and all religious sites are built in a certain way to reflect religious symbols, as numbers, angles, specific icons, alignments, positions, etc. Just check any religious temple, wether it's the Taj Mahal, the Notre-Dame cathedral, Stonehenge, anything. Chances are, the builders are building certain features for a reason. And chances are the Giza pyramids are no exception. I don't see why anyone would completely reject that possibility.
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I don't just reject it. I just do not find it very convincing in the least. I have given my reasons for thinking this way.
 
I've heard about this stuff vaguely, but I've got to confess I'm not clear what 'aligned with Orion' means. Given any three points spaced roughly equally in a line on the Earth's surface, how does one decide if they are aligned with Orion?
 
(from Adrian Gilbert's website)

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So a few years ago I had a conversation even more woo-woo than this one about the alignment of the Pyramids to Orion. I did several things to try to convince him that there wasn't even close to enough evidence that there's any connection between the Pyramids and Orion.

I asked him for three cities in America. I then spent about 20 minutes and 'discovered' they were built by aliens that came from the constellation Ursa Major, because the cities matched the handle of the Big Dipper. And the double star in the big dipper corresponded to the largest of the three cities he named.

I then pulled a pic of the pyramids off the web and showed that their front corners were aligned in a straight line.

I think I confused him.

He also asserted that the supporting materials used to build the pyramid never existed because no trace of them existed. I asked him to find the supporting materials for Big Ben.

I haven't talked to him since. :confused:
 
I'm not even sure how the alignments work, I've never actually tried them out. If they were debunked and it turns out that the whole scheme doesn't fit, well good, I consider it a problem solved although I'd be curious to know exactly why it doesn't fit. After all, five pyramids at Giza and the two at Dashur (and probably more) seem to be closely arranged like Orion and the neighboring Hyades constellation. Coincidence? Think rationally, without bias, and tell me it's a coincidence.

And as for the american cities argument, it's just an argument and represents no proof against anything whatsoever, because whereas these cities are separated by hundreds of kilometers, the three pyramids are built side by side on the plateau, and they're laid out that way for a reason. You have a point though that you can take almost anything and see if you can align stuff together. Such as this map of downtown Washington; see how many "random" alignments you can make.

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And the Great Pyramids were built with blocks from the Aswan quarries, tell that to your friend. :)
 
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