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Roger Ramjets said:
You're wrong. It may not be worse, but the situation today is unlike any before. Nobody knows how it will turn out because we haven't been here before.
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Technically that's true every glad morn, but yes indeed, these are the most transitional times I have ever known in my sixty-odd years.

But if we are just talking about 'tougher', compared to past generations we have never had it so good.
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I'm living what I once read as sci-fi.

"Telepathy? Isn't that sc-fi?"
"Honey, you live on a space-ship."
"So?"
 
Trump wants voting history of everyone in the USA, including who you voted for and your political affiliations.

But don't worry, this is just more doom porn....
 
Roger Ramjets said:
You're wrong. It may not be worse, but the situation today is unlike any before. Nobody knows how it will turn out because we haven't been here before.
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Every generation is in a situation that is unique, though. Every generation is in a position where they've never truly been before. History is rife with examples of having been on the edge in terms of the political landscape and constantly being on the brink of war.

I'd hazard a guess that in ten years time it'll be a new unique situation that we've not been in before, and we'll be on the brink of war, the political landscape will be just as muddled and unclear, and people will be talking about the end-times.

I get the worry, to an extent, but I think that it's a little OTT. I don't see Trump bringing the world to its knees any more than I see Gary Glitter getting a job as Santa in Harrods during the festive holiday season.
 
Giz said:
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Trump election panel asks all 50 states for voter roll data

The vice chairman of President Trump’s commission on election integrity sent a letter to all 50 states Wednesday requesting information on their voter rolls.

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach is seeking several pieces of information about voters, including their names, birthdays, the last four digits of their Social Security numbers and their voting history dating back to 2006.​

The mitigating factor is that the request is, apparently, for any of that information which is already publicly available according to the laws of the state.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
Trump election panel asks all 50 states for voter roll data

The vice chairman of President Trump’s commission on election integrity sent a letter to all 50 states Wednesday requesting information on their voter rolls.

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach is seeking several pieces of information about voters, including their names, birthdays, the last four digits of their Social Security numbers and their voting history dating back to 2006.​

The mitigating factor is that the request is, apparently, for any of that information which is already publicly available according to the laws of the state.
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OMG!!! The Federal Government is going to know the last 4 digits of my SSN!!!!???

And they only asked for publicly available data according to existing law?!


In non-chicken little world:
They are going to check (non-citizen) voter fraud. i.e.:
- who voted (personal ID)
- when voted (history)(note: as I understand it, this wont tell them WHO you voted for, just that you voted, so it's not a big deal)
 
Giz said:
OMG!!! The Federal Government is going to know the last 4 digits of my SSN!!!!???

And they only asked for publicly available data according to existing law?!


In non-chicken little world:
They are going to check (non-citizen) voter fraud. i.e.:
- who voted (personal ID)
- when voted (history)(note: as I understand it, this wont tell them WHO you voted for, just that you voted, so it's not a big deal)
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Interestingly, Kobach has said that Kansas law prohibits him from complying with his own demand.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hs-voter-data-request/?utm_term=.07f20af947b4

Elections have always been state government functions. There is no evidence that there has ever been any problem with voters pretending to be other voters, and there is no basis for the federal government to be demanding any personal information about voters, especially when it is clearly, indisputably intended to help voter suppression/intimidation efforts. This is all part of Trump's "I would have won except for all those illegal voters" craziness.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._vote_fraud_commission_that_s_terrifying.html
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/kobach-voter-fraud-allegations-exposed-fraudulent
 
uke2se said:
The "doom porn" is a list of news articles detailing, among other things, how a foreign power influenced, hacked and possibly altered the result of the 2016 election, and how the resulting winner of that election is effectively dismantling oversight and checks and balances.
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Yeah, these three (the first three cited in the WaPo article) really make me think we are on the verge of the Fourth Reich:

Monday, in a bizarre display in front of cameras, Trump’s cabinet members took turns praising him.”

“AP reported that a company that partners with both Trump and (son-in-law) Jared Kushner is a finalist for a $1.7bn contract to build the new FBI building.

Vice President Pence hired a big-name “lawyer with Watergate experience to represent him in the Russian probe.”
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I mean, you can almost hear the band striking up Deutschland Uber Alles!
 
CapelDodger said:
Mine doesn't. My generation worries that its children and grandchildren won't have it better than them, they way they have.
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That's been true for the last few generations already. I think the "baby boomers" were the last generation that did better than their parents, if such a stat actually exists.

I think all the crybabies - the far left members who are getting all the press - are making it seem like the end of the world.
 
Brainster said:
Yeah, these three (the first three cited in the WaPo article) really make me think we are on the verge of the Fourth Reich:



I mean, you can almost hear the band striking up Deutschland Uber Alles!
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I'm not sure the first example is a sign of authoritarianism are not, but it is a break from the past eight years of what was considered normal behavior when, rather than the president's cabinet taking turns praising him, it was the media.


Nothing says anti-authoritarianism like forcing one of three contracting companies out of a bidding process overseen by an independent government agency because it has links to a politician one does not like. I guess the silver lining of a Vornado Reality winning bid would be the left no longer using Halliburton/Cheney as an example of corrupt government bidding processes.

Clinton and Sanders both hired hot-shot attorneys to represent them in their FBI probes, I guess that's only an indication of authoritarianism when Republicans hire attorneys. I'll reserve judgment until some "authoritarianism experts" weigh-in.
 
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Bogative said:
Clinton and Sanders both hired hot-shot attorneys to represent them in their FBI probes, I guess that's only an indication of authoritarianism when Republicans hire attorneys.
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Oh come on, don't you remember how hitler responded to internal challenges to his authority by hiring lawyers and letting the plaintiffs have their day in court? Totes authoritaryanism.
 
The Hitler comparisons are necessary to rally the more feeble-minded on the Left. As others have noted, around here it is a way of virtue-signaling.
 
dudalb said:
You have to distinguish between the reporting and the commentary.
I think the Washington Post's commentary on Trump is a little over the top,but their reporting on him is damaging,becasue they can back it up.
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But no trump supporter cares about it, as such it is to damaging to things like his approval ratings. Fake news is still fake news even if they can back up their reports with left wing facts. The trump supporters rely on alternative facts anyway.
 
Bob001 said:
No, we didn't. GW Bush had been a successful two-term governor of Texas, and as the son of a President and grandson of a Senator his family had a long history of public service. Bush made some terrible misjudgments, but he made them within the range of normal political debate. Trump's contempt for the judiciary ("so-called judges") and the "fake news" media, his blatant racism, his demeaning our allies while pandering to our enemies, his undisguised corruption and his fundamental stupidity about basic matters of fact are unparalleled. No one could imagine that Bush could launch nuclear war out of pique; with Trump, we can't be sure.
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At least he got a proper Christian Dominionist on the supreme court, that is a win for traditional american conservatives in implementing their christian state.
 
Mikemcc said:
I agree with that, but the revelations tainted her campaign at a crucial moment and she responded poorly. Looking back it is easy to distance these things. But, at the time, there wasn't the time for reasoned responses to alter voter view points. Many just saw a privileged woman, who's campaign had distain for basic IT security, had presided over a very poor security operation in Libya, and didn't engage well with the core voters (that bit repeated by May in the UK).
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While more facts about trumps sexual assault did nothing because all of his supporters knew he sexually assaults women and don't think that is a negative trait in a leader.
 
Craig4 said:
While I have no doubt that The Orange Hair wants to betray his country and rule as an authoritarian, all the checks and balances seem to be working. The courts remain independent, the media reports what it likes and Congress doesn't seem in the thrall of the president. All in all, I think we're okay.
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If by checks and balances you mean as long as the republican party finds covering for him to be less of a political cost than opposing him maybe. Certainly they don't care at all about any obstruction of justice he might have done.
 
ponderingturtle said:
If by checks and balances you mean as long as the republican party finds covering for him to be less of a political cost than opposing him maybe. Certainly they don't care at all about any obstruction of justice he might have done.
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There clearly are Republicans who do care and aren't in lock-step with The Hair. He's had prominent defections on the travel ban and healthcare and there's Republican support for Russia hearings. I think The Hair is trying to become an authoritarian but he's not just not succeeding at it.
 
Bob001 said:
A blogger has recorded week-by-week all the Trump atrocities that historically have characterized the beginnings of an authoritarian takeover:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...5fd8e0c288f_story.html?utm_term=.ff694ff00f22
https://medium.com/@Amy_Siskind
https://public.tableau.com/profile/...kindWeeklyListOfChanges_0/AmySiskindDashboard
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The last time I saw people this worked up about the coming right-wing dictatorship was REX-84 under Reagan:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

The last time I saw people this worked up about the coming left-wing dictatorship was Jade Helm 15 under Obama:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_Helm_15_conspiracy_theories

Enough already with the predictions! either get the dictatorship up and running or get off the pot.
 
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