Israeli Mossad spying/infiltrating AQ pre 9-11

have ya read about operation mockingbird yet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

err....are you aware of what the USSR was doing at the same time?

have you learned at ALL about Soviet tyranny in Eastern Europe up until the late 1980s???????

do you know how many domestic spies East Germany had????

Those who choose not to learn history are doomed to repeat it.
 
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Act in a way that could prevent the attacks.

What attacks, specifically?

Do you mean what specific actions could they take against non-specific threats?

Yes, precisely. Taking the wrong action can make things worse. Let me expand on that, with examples.

The classic example of an unfortunate response to a non-specific threat is General Short, at Pearl Harbor. On receiving reports that some kind of Japanese attack was likely, he decided that the only possible attack in Hawaii would be sabotage by Japanese spies. He therefore made sure all his fighter planes were lined up close together in neat ranks in the middle of the airfields, where they could be most effectively guarded; if they's been left dispersed around the perimeters they'd have been more vulnerable. So, when the Japanese fighters strafed the airfields, they had a big fat target all nicely lined up for them, and aircraft losses were far more than they would have been if Short had done nothing.

Now, let's see what the alleged Mossad report is claimed to have said.

"terrorists plan to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture."

Where were these aircraft supposed to be hijacked? The warning suggests an international series of attacks, if both America and Israel are to be hit. So let's suppose the aim is to hijack international flights on their way to America and Israel, then crash them into specific targets. How do we defend against this? Well, we could run some exercises to prepare for intercepting incoming hijacked aircraft, we could emphasise radar coverage of the ADIZ (possibly at the expense of domestic coverage, but we've no reason to suspect a domestic threat; we know this is an international plot), and we could brief pilots and controllers to vector fighter aircraft out to sea by default if there's any kind of alert. We could concentrate our intelligence efforts on infiltrating European al-Qaeda cells, because that's where the attacks might be coming from, and we could try and get European airports to increase security.

How much of that would have helped prevent the 9/11 attacks, and how much would actually have made them easier?

And that's without considering the signal-to-noise ratio. We know there were lots of intelligence warnings coming in (as the 9/11 Commission Report makes clear), and these were a few reports among hundreds.

Yes, the Bush administration should have done more, although it's not clear exactly what. It seems clear to me that they lost focus on the terrorist threat, and the USA paid a heavy price. That's nothing to do with inside job theories, though; it's just commonplace incompetence.

Dave
 
Originally Posted by BasqueArch View Post
At least 16- (16 in this thread only)
The number of times Senenmut has used the same lying Colby quote for his signature after being told.

have ya read about operation mockingbird yet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
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"The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
--Former CIA Director William Colby

Yes I did read it and it doesn't contain the lying quote:
"The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
--Former CIA Director William Colby
 
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Yes, but that isn't the Mossad's motto, so the book is wrong. You have been informed of this.

Will you be providing a source for the quote in your signature anytime soon?

Note that the quote gets 0 hits in Google Scholar and only 2 in Google Books one doesn't give a citation the other does but unfortunately that part of the endnotes is not available. So Senenmut your homework asignment is to get a hold of Petrodollar warfare: oil, Iraq and the future of the dollar by William R. Clark look at page 162 and then the endnotes and tell us what his source was. Due to the fact it barely exists outside of CT cyberspace I doubt it is a genuine quote.


http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bk...icance+in+the+major+media."&btnG=Search+Books
 
Again, from your own link.

Many of Ostrovsky's claims have not been verified from other sources nor have they been refuted, and arguments continue to rage over the credibility of his accounts.

Unverified information. Imagine that.
 
look it up in the book gidions spies. its there just like i wrote the quote.

here is another source. By way of deception by Victor Ostrovsky.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Ostrovsky

Is this what you have to resort to? Is this all ya have left? LOL.

Sad sad people who read novels and make interpretations on mottos to shoe horn an inside jobby or clandestine black op. LOL.

The boy scouts have a motto. The girl guides have a motto. Bet ya can shoe horn those to fit ya wacky scam.

Every British military unit, be it Intel, Army, Air Force or Navy has a motto/badge/emblem/logo etc. Some are comedic, some have history.........all are just a motto. If ya wanted too then many of them can also be iterpreted or shoe horned into some wacky scam.

So and so wrote it and it fits in with my theory so it must be what happened! Cool stuff.........keep it up. LOL.

Mocking Bird and Northwood are small fry. Being ex military I could direct you to some juicy woo that would have you dripping in your pants for eternity...........but it is just woo and woo isnt real. LOL.

Long live the woo of the truth movement. LOL.
 
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Funny the supposed quote gets only 1 Google hit Senenmut's post

http://www.google.com/search?hl=pt-B...=&oq=&gs_rfai=
look it up in the book gidions spies. its there just like i wrote the quote.

here is another source. By way of deception by Victor Ostrovsky.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Ostrovsky

Sorry, I'm in Brazil, it's not in my local library. Odd that if the quote really appeared in the book that with all the anti-Israeli sites and forums on the Net no one but you has cited it. Do actually have the book or access to it? If so post a scan. If not how do you know the quote is there?
 
I wanna be loved by woo
just woo and nobody else but woo
I wanna be loved by woo - alone.
Boo boo bee woo

I wanna be kissed by woo
just woo and nobody alse but woo
I wanna be kissed by woo - alone.
Boo boo bee woo
 
just close your eyes and plug your ears....nothing to learn from operation mockingbird.

Plenty to learn but your reference material is nothing new whatsoever. When are you gonna tell us something worthwhile that we dont already know?

It may flick your wacky switches and get the boys in the basement talking but to those who give a rats arse it really isnt anything new or unusual.

Have you read The Art of War...孙子兵法; 孫子兵法 .....Sun Tzu? You may be interested in Chapter 13. Plenty of woo for ya. Deception is centurie old and nothing new. History is riddled with it. Making it fit into your wacky theory is always going to be a challenge.

Other favourite reads of mine are The Feather Men & The Secret Hunters.....Ranulph Fiennes.

For a lighter read try .....Dont Cry For Me Sargeant Major.

Long live the woo of the truth movement. LOL.
 
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I already said in this thread that I read "By Way of Deception" and that he did claim this was the Mossad motto. Ostrovsky's apparently the only one in the world who makes this claim, and it seems to be false.

News flash - sometimes people claim things in books and on the internet, and they turn out not to be true. Sometimes people use confirmation bias and don't examine closely before they accept these claims. As I stated in this very thread, I believed the motto thing myself, as I hadn't looked into it.
 
News flash - sometimes people claim things in books and on the internet, and they turn out not to be true. Sometimes people use confirmation bias and don't examine closely before they accept these claims.

Anybody who doesn't know this should have their internet viewing license revoked :)
 
I already said in this thread that I read "By Way of Deception" and that he did claim this was the Mossad motto. Ostrovsky's apparently the only one in the world who makes this claim, and it seems to be false.

News flash - sometimes people claim things in books and on the internet, and they turn out not to be true. Sometimes people use confirmation bias and don't examine closely before they accept these claims. As I stated in this very thread, I believed the motto thing myself, as I hadn't looked into it.

http://books.google.com/books?id=MR...AEwAA#v=onepage&q=by way of deception&f=false
 

Senenmut, because the phrase appears in 2 books still doesn't make it the motto. I don't know where Thomas got the phrase; maybe some Mossad people use that phrase as a credo or something. But it's not the motto of the Mossad.

For example - The US Army Rangers have 2 mottos:

"Rangers lead the way"

"Sua Sponte" (Of their own accord)

And yet I can link a Google Book that says the US Army Rangers' motto is "Leave No Man Behind"

http://books.google.com/books?id=Sm...rmy rangers motto leave no man behind&f=false

That doesn't make it their motto.

Do you understand now?

ETA - Will you ever source that quote to William Colby?
 
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