Israeli extremist attack

[AWPrime]

A terrorist attack commited by an Israeli extremist. More are probally to occure.


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1123208392753

A far-right activist who was AWOL from his army unit murdered four Israeli Arabs and wounded 12 on Thursday evening when he opened fire while riding in an Egged bus in the northern city of Shfaram. He was then lynched by an angry mob.

The shooter, identified as Natan Eden Zada, 19, of the Samaria settlement of Tapuah, had deserted his IDF unit and was on Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) watch lists. Despite this, Shin Bet sources said no warnings had been received regarding plans by Zada or other Jewish extremists to target the Israeli-Arab sector.

 

[Grammatron]

Thanks for the news.

What makes you think more will occure? Not that it was the first one anyway.

 

[AWPrime]

Because the settlement withdrawal isn't truely started yet.

 

[zenith-nadir]

My beef is how this extremist butthead still had his IDF-issued weapon eventhough he was AWOL since mid-June.

 

[CBL4]

I agree that more of these acts are likely. Religious fanaticism is dangerous. Fortunately, the Israeli government, army and society condemned the attack in no uncertain terms. I wish I could say the same for all attacks on civilians.

I also agree with ZN that the fact that he had is gun is disturbing. Presumably it was due to negligence but I would like to know more.

CBL

 

[Skeptic]

The Palestinian government condemned it, calling it a "terrorist attack."

Well, that's certainly an expert's opinion.

 

[WildCat]

Post deleted, because it was a stupid comparison.

 

[zenith-nadir]

Further info:

Sharon: We must ensure attacks on Arabs do not happen again - 14:06 07/08/2005

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon on Sunday called on the security establishment to make every effort to complete the investigation of Thursday's Shfaram shooting in which four Israeli Arabs were killed and 12 wounded.

"We will live with the Arab population here forever and we must ensure these things don't recur," Sharon concluded.

In an emergency meeting Sunday, the Knesset Interior and Environment Committee also called on the government to establish a panel of inquiry to examine the Shfaram attack.

The Jewish Agency will provide financial assistance to those hurt Thursday's Shfaram attack that killed four people and wounded 12. The money will come from the Agency's terror victims fund, marking the first time the fund will aid victims of Jewish terror.

Meanwhile on the other side of the tracks:

Child critically wounded in West Bank shooting attack - (JP) - Aug. 7, 2005 11:22

A 10-year-old child was critically wounded after being shot in the head in a drive-by shooting near the British Police junction in the West Bank on Sunday afternoon.

The Fatah's military wing, the Al-Aksa Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack. A statement issued by the group said the attack was a retaliation for Thursday's attack in Shfaram.

The five Israelis were on their way from Jerusalem to Ateret on a holiday trip when terrorists from a passing car shot around twenty bullets at them from the back window.

Fatah is the ruling party of the Palestinian Authority. And speaking of the lovely Palestinian Authority:

Palestinian Legal System Shut in Protest - (AP) - Sat Aug 6,11:25 PM ET

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Palestinian judges and lawyers shut down the Palestinian legal system Saturday until further notice to protest recent attacks against senior legal officials.

Earlier in the week in Gaza City, an explosive device was detonated outside the home of former Palestinian Justice Minister Zuhair Sourani, while a separate blast damaged a wall outside the home of the Palestinian Authority's attorney general in the city, Hussein Abu Assi. Both men were appointed by parliament to investigate widespread corruption in the Palestinian Authority.

Sourani resigned as overseer of judges on Saturday, saying the Palestinian Authority was not doing enough to protect him and his colleagues.

No suspects have been arrested in the attacks on the Sourani and Assi homes. Sourani has said he and Palestinian security know who is responsible.

 

[Jas]

I agree that more of these acts are likely. Religious fanaticism is dangerous. Fortunately, the Israeli government, army and society condemned the attack in no uncertain terms. I wish I could say the same for all attacks on civilians.

I also agree with ZN that the fact that he had is gun is disturbing. Presumably it was due to negligence but I would like to know more.

CBL

Took the words right out of my mouth. Religious fanaticism, of any religion always ends badly.

 

[Leif Roar]

A terrorist attack commited by an Israeli extremist. More are probally to occure.

Hmm. Can we really assume, at this point, that it was an act of terrorism, rather than a "lone nutcase with a gun"? After all, we don't call the kids behind the Columbine or Lee Harvey Oswald for terrorists.

 

[Cleon]

Re: Re: Israeli extremist attack

Hmm. Can we really assume, at this point, that it was an act of terrorism, rather than a "lone nutcase with a gun"?

What's the difference? Either way, a bunch of innocent people were killed.

Timothy McVeigh was considered a terrorist, he didn't exactly have the backing of AlQaeda behind him.

After all, we don't call the kids behind the Columbine or Lee Harvey Oswald for terrorists.

No? Every time some kid's arrested for making death threats at school, "making terroristic threats" is part of the charges.

Here in GA not too long ago some kids shot a mail truck with a pellet gun. They were charged with "Terroristic Acts".

 

[Skeptic]

But... but... but...

What were the root causes of his hatered?

Surely you don't think what he did was evil--there is no such thing as "good and evil", you know.

Therefore, one must conlcude that one must be tough on the "root causes" of his attack.

I suggest finding out what he wanted, and then doing it, so the "root cause" for shooting up Arab civilians will be eradicated.

Oh wait--this logic only works when Muslim terrorists want something.

Sorry about that.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Re: Re: Israeli extremist attack

What's the difference? Either way, a bunch of innocent people were killed.

Timothy McVeigh was considered a terrorist, he didn't exactly have the backing of AlQaeda behind him.

You're right, he was a terrorist and so was Timothy McVey. None of their victims are any less dead for their having been killed my lone nut-cases rather than organized terror networks.

However Leif Roar is also correct in pointing out that it's worth knowing if he's a lone nut-case or part of a larger terrorist organization. It gives us an indication if the attack is likely to be repeated, and gives law enforcement clues on how to prevent futher attacks.

 

[Chaos]

But... but... but...

What were the root causes of his hatered?

Surely you don't think what he did was evil--there is no such thing as "good and evil", you know.

Therefore, one must conlcude that one must be tough on the "root causes" of his attack.

I suggest finding out what he wanted, and then doing it, so the "root cause" for shooting up Arab civilians will be eradicated.

Oh wait--this logic only works when Muslim terrorists want something.

Sorry about that.

Oh, I´m sure the next thing you´ll suggest is that all Israeli settlers want the death of all Arabs, and that there´s no use for any tactics except killing them all, and that an Israeli settler who lives with someone who is not an Israeli settler is only doing so in order to be able to murder them.

Oops, sorry, that´s the Palestinians only. I forgot.

 

[Cleopatra]

I agree that more of these acts are likely. Religious fanaticism is dangerous. Fortunately, the Israeli government, army and society condemned the attack in no uncertain terms. I wish I could say the same for all attacks on civilians.

I wonder ( and this is not rhetorical) if this man was a religious fanatic indeed or he was just a desperate person who wished to keep what some political geniouses have promised him.

It's easy to name religious fanatics people that have been fed with promises for years although I repeat that I am not referring strictly to this incident.

edited to add.

Although... In defense of Politics I believe that it's wrong to call Israeli PMs politicians because they are people of the Army but the time will come and a PM that doesn't come from the Army will be elected.

 

[The Fool]

But... but... but...

What were the root causes of his hatered?

Surely you don't think what he did was evil--there is no such thing as "good and evil", you know.

Therefore, one must conlcude that one must be tough on the "root causes" of his attack.

I suggest finding out what he wanted, and then doing it, so the "root cause" for shooting up Arab civilians will be eradicated.

Oh wait--this logic only works when Muslim terrorists want something.

Sorry about that.

Actually I am very interested in why he got to the stage where he did something like this. I don't believe its simply because he was "evil" (do you?) and I don't think that wanting to understand his motivations is a show of support for what he did (do you?).

Do you have any suggestions as to why he got to the point of doing something like this?

 

[geni]

But... but... but...

What were the root causes of his hatered?

Surely you don't think what he did was evil--there is no such thing as "good and evil", you know.

Therefore, one must conlcude that one must be tough on the "root causes" of his attack.

I suggest finding out what he wanted, and then doing it, so the "root cause" for shooting up Arab civilians will be eradicated.

Oh wait--this logic only works when Muslim terrorists want something.

Sorry about that.

No it is only worth thinking about if you are dealing with groups rather than individuals.

 

[Skeptic]

Actually I am very interested in why he got to the stage where he did something like this.

Of course you are. And, true to form, you said nothing at all about--and completely ignored--the victims of this terrorist.

Figuring out exactly what grievances and complaints he had that "made him do it" is so much more interesting, isn't it?

 

[Cleon]

Of course you are. And, true to form, you said nothing at all about--and completely ignored--the victims of this terrorist.

Obviously, this means that The Fool just really hates Arabs.

 

[The Fool]

Figuring out exactly what grievances and complaints he had that "made him do it" is so much more interesting, isn't it?

yes, and it would be one of the first and most basic step of any competent investigation after the "what" comes the "why"....pretty basic stuff.

are you disinterested in why this person did this?

Do you have any suggestions as to why he got to the point of doing something like this?