Israel runs away from nuclear summit

they fear someone would ask them to sign the NPT
 
What do you mean exactly? My point was that Israel will attend. It is just Netaniahu which will not.

oh, well i got missinformed by radio then, they just said, Israel will not attend...

but ur right
Netanyahu, who plans to send a deputy and two senior advisers to the April 12-13 conference instead, canceled "after learning that some countries including Egypt and Turkey plan to say Israel must sign the NPT," an Israeli official said
 
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Israel has nukes..and should sign the NPT.

why should Israel be treated special? are they special or something?

should they be allowed to proliferate nuclear weapons?

oh...that's right...Chosen People....Holocaust guilt....

I forgot.
 
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Israel has nukes..and should sign the NPT.

why should Israel be treated special? are they special or something?

should they be allowed to proliferate nuclear weapons?

oh...that's right...Chosen People....Holocaust guilt....

I forgot.

Um, why should Israel sign the NPT? Is it in thier national interest? I honestly don't know much about why they would or would not. What are the arguments for/against Israel signing the treaty.

If signing the treaty is not in their national interest, then you are the one thinking that they are somehow special, in that they should be forced to sign a treaty contrary to thier national interest.
 
Um, why should Israel sign the NPT? Is it in thier national interest? I honestly don't know much about why they would or would not. What are the arguments for/against Israel signing the treaty.

the purpose of the NPT is to stop the spread of nuclear weapons throughout the world.

if Israel feels that more countries with nukes is a good thing, and is in their national interest...then yes..they should not sign it.

but then they should not complain when Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, also want nuclear technology and weapons.

Israel is NOT special...even though they insist in believing they are.
 
Israel is not the only country which hasn't signed the NPT so why single them out?
 
Israel is not the only country which hasn't signed the NPT so why single them out?

uh....cause Israel said they would go to the meeting..and then cancelled 48 hours later. and cause Israel may be the only nation on Earth that has failed to declare their nuclear capability.

well..maybe Israel and Iran. what a charming duo they make.
 
Another failed thread of moral equivalence. Declaring one's nuclear capabilities runs against Israel's position of nuclear ambiguity, which is a deterrance within itself. Its kept a low-profile and hasn't threatened the use of nuclear weapons against any of its neighbors and no proliferation.

I do think that the Obama administration will change its stance towards Israel regarding its nuclear stance, as it recently has towards Israeli nuclear scientists:

US Refuses Visas to all Israeli Nuclear Scientists
Ma'ariv reported today that the Israeli government was stunned when every nuclear technician at Israel's Dimona reactor who had submitted visa requests to visit the United States for ongoing university education in Physics, Chemistry and Nuclear Engineering had their visa applications summarily rejected, specifically because of their association with the Dimona reactor.

This is a new policy decision of the Obama administration. Up until now, it was routine for Israeli nuclear scientists and technicians to receive such visas and to study at US universities.[snip]eportedly the US has an unofficial embargo on selling anything to be used at the site.

Professor Zeev Alfasi, the head of Nuclear Engineering at Ben-Gurion University in the Negev stated that "the United States doesn't sell anything nuclear-related to the Dimona reactor, and that means absolutely nothing. Radiation detectors, for example have to be purchased now in France because the USA refuses to sell these to Israel."

No such restrictions on other country's nuclear scientists, including other ME countries.

But hey, not surprised parky by yet another misleading thread since its a convenient tactic used over and over again in avoiding to answer the other failed threads you've started and commented on. Whinge whinge.
 
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The thread is about Netanyahu specifically, so I think it's fair to single out Israel in this case.
No it isn't about Netanyahu specifically, but Israel long-held postion of nuclear ambiguity. Israel is 1 of the 4 that are part of the nuclear capable countries in the world that haven't signed NPT for their specific reasons.
 
No it isn't about Netanyahu specifically, but Israel long-held postion of nuclear ambiguity. Israel is 1 of the 4 that are part of the nuclear capable countries in the world that haven't signed NPT for their specific reasons.

Yes, but this thread is not about India or Pakistan or North Korea. Israel has been singled out because of Netanyahu's behaviour concerning the meeting. That's what the thread is about.
 
No it isn't about Netanyahu specifically, but Israel long-held postion of nuclear ambiguity. Israel is 1 of the 4 that are part of the nuclear capable countries in the world that haven't signed NPT for their specific reasons.

India
Pakistan
N. Korea
Israel

India and Pakistan are in a border dispute nuclear stand-off wit each other and N. Korea developed and is using nuclear weapons to bargain with the US.
This is not an illustrious nor respectable group to plead special exemptions on behalf of.
 
Another failed thread of moral equivalence. Declaring one's nuclear capabilities runs against Israel's position of nuclear ambiguity, which is a deterrance within itself.

There is no meaningful ambiguity in Isreal's position. We know they have them. We have a fairly good idea how they got them and how many they have. Exactly what they have is more debateable but that doesn't really help matters.


Its kept a low-profile and hasn't threatened the use of nuclear weapons against any of its neighbors

Not dirrectly in a public manner. But then neither have most nuclear powers.

and no proliferation.

Actualy we have no idea if there has been or not. There may have been some links with south africa back in the day but we never did work out what went on there.
 
Yes, but this thread is not about India or Pakistan or North Korea. Israel has been singled out because of Netanyahu's behaviour concerning the meeting. That's what the thread is about.
Never said it was about non-NPT countries, but about Israel in general. Nothing has changed regarding the stance of Israel. Netanyahu didn't attend, ie to represent Israel, because of fear that Israel's presence would be used as an excuse to deflect away from Iran's nuclear program.

So cease with the superficiality. Nothing's changed.
 
There is no meaningful ambiguity in Isreal's position. We know they have them. We have a fairly good idea how they got them and how many they have. Exactly what they have is more debateable but that doesn't really help matters.
'Fairly good idea' doesn't equate to ambiguity to a degree? Also to the number?

That's the point of the ambiguity and the low-profile of the program itself, to conceal capabilities.

Not dirrectly in a public manner. But then neither have most nuclear powers.
No parades no. No nuclear missile bases either, which most of the nuclear power with active nuclear weapons are known to have.

Actualy we have no idea if there has been or not. There may have been some links with south africa back in the day but we never did work out what went on there.
So guilt before innocence, that's how it works in your corner of the world?

The alleged tests in SA have never been confirmed where the brunt of the 'evidence' comes from an x-Soviet spy and half-baked satellite detection results. And those Soviets love Israel, eh?

Regarding the nuclear ambiguity:
Israel's 'Nuclear Ambiguity' Policy
After ongoing discussions with the US, Prime Minister Golda Meir and U.S. President Richard Nixon agreed in 1969 that the U.S. would de-facto acknowledge Israel's nuclear capabilities and not ask it to join the NPT as long as Israel maintained a low profile and did not reveal its capabilities via public statements or nuclear testing. So far, all American presidents have kept these implicit understandings.4

Israel's nuclear ambiguity policy is known to have influenced the actions of other countries in the region and became a central component in the country's deterrence, as part of its security strategy.5

In order to maintain this ambiguity, no legislation concerning the program has been ever passed. Moreover, no public legal document designed to assign responsibilities or define areas of jurisdiction and authority to bodies related to the program has been written, even by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).6

And regarding to the revision of the nuclear stance of Israel:

Reconsidering Israel's nuclear ambiguity
Israel's nuclear ambiguity has done little to deter "ordinary" conventional enemy aggressions or acts of terror. It has succeeded in keeping the country's enemies from mounting existential attacks. But certain changes in strategic doctrine could be necessary.

Oblivious to the call for meaningful sanctions by a plainly impotent "international community," Tehran continues to "go nuclear." Unless there is a prompt, comprehensive and sustained preemptive strike against Iran's developing nuclear assets and infrastructures, an act of "anticipatory self-defense" under international law, Israel will face an openly genocidal nuclear Iran. Still, the prospect of such legally permissible defensive strikes is now very low, and Israel will likely have to prepare to secure itself against a nuclear Iran with both ballistic missile defense (Arrow/Hetz) and improved nuclear deterrence.

Prime Minister-designate Netanyahu will understand that adequate deterrence of Iran could soon require some release of pertinent Israeli nuclear details. Concerning these details, less rather than more Israeli nuclear secrecy could be required. What will now need to be determined is the precise extent and subtlety with which Israel should communicate its nuclear positions, intentions and capabilities to Iran, and certain others.

I personally agree with a revision to Israel's policy, but a complete declaration, utterly useless and devoid of any meaning. Iran won't stop unless its attacked, and Iran will cause a nuclear arms race in the region regardless of Israel's nuclear capabilities declaration.
 
India
Pakistan
N. Korea
Israel

India and Pakistan are in a border dispute nuclear stand-off wit each other and N. Korea developed and is using nuclear weapons to bargain with the US.
This is not an illustrious nor respectable group to plead special exemptions on behalf of.
And Israel? What do you personally think Israel's reasoning is to have a nuclear program? Bit more to India's and N. Korea's nuclear stance than what you stated, although it does cover the brunt of its motivations.

Interesting article regarding India: Behind India's Bomb: The Politics and Strategy of Nuclear Deterrence
 
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