Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week

You did mean Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Shintoism, Catholicism, Protestantism, Hindism etc didn't you?

For example - all those who need to mutilate the genitals of defenceless babies for their own personal and religious gratification all need to be made fun off don't you agree?
As a service to our regular customers, the recent, long winded, circumcision discussion can be reviewed in this thread, here, without a potential Rule 11 issue derailing this thread.

We now take you back to our regularly scheduled thread, in which Islamo Fascism is discussed, even though the term itself is rubbish. Y'all may want to watch for tidal waves or earthquakes, I am in complete accord with Imaginal Disc, an uncommon occurrence, and specifically this comment. :)
"Islamo-facism" is a phrase that manages to be unfair to both Islam and facism, and I'm not a fan of either.
I don't understand why people don't use the term Islamist. I think it better describes the movement.

DR
 
Did you know that it's Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week?

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Dear Puppycow,

Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, most people, including here, are unable to process principled reality and rely on endless squabbling over logic and supposition to serve as understanding. They'll debate "issues" ad nauseum, but, truthful principles, never. The prime result of this is their superstitious belief in the eternity of the West, a constitutional inability to see its ongoing decline. If you don't read, you don't care if the libraries burn down, and when the barbarians come to rape your women, you cry "Oh, why is this happening?"

Fascism is, essentially, in terms of popular practice rather than a common suite of political ideology, the action of a kind of "beast-man" leader or his henchmen on the baser emotions of his followers, that they get a thrill from hearing him speak, that polarises them fearfully in a direction of action, often violent, as we can see with the fascist countries of the Twentieth Century. Arnold Schwarzenegger is contemporary fascism in action, backed by actual ideological fascists akin to the Straussian neo-con faction at the federal level, leading mindless throngs chanting him to "Terminate" his opponents.

As Lord William Rees-Mogg writes, "Arnold Schwarzenegger is relying on the appeal of fascism, whether or not he is personally a fascist."

"The politics of mass emotion are the politics of fascism."

"The core of all fascist movements is the direct relationship between the leader and the masses, not mediated through institutions of democracy. What does the leader do? He provides leadership. What allows him to provide leadership? The strength of his will. What is the evidence of the leader's will? The exciting feeling he creates of ultimate ruthlesness. How does Arnold Schwarzenegger demonstrate this ruthlessness? By having played a machine—not even a man—which killed hundreds of people."[1]

Islam's danger is that it is an aggressive, text-based philosophy with a history of culture-wrecking and imperialism. It is a very practical religion--they really couldn't care less what you believe in your heart, so long as you go through the proper motions. Islam produces no Hegels, no Kants, no deep psychological thinkers. Freedom of speech is inconceivable for it to originate. Islam has tried to destroy Christendom before, remember, and only heroic efforts in the Crusades and elsewhere managed to beat them back and save Europe.

But, the danger is not just from a "philosophy" that is attacking, much less "terrorists," the danger is from sheer immigration. They will outbreed us, and replace our culture with their culture--not that most people even have a culture to lose, at this point. It matters not that the proverbial 95% of the Moslem population are not aggressive; the 5% fanatics will suffice, and their victories will be assented to by the rest of them, who will not rise up to defend an alien culture, regardless of how much money it makes them.

View the above not alone, however, but, in context of overall immigration patterns. Moslems will not have a lock on all Western countries, thus, rather contributing to the same kind of trend ongoing across the board.

The only thing intelligent I've read contributed to this on this thread is the notion that we should recognise the (Anglo-American) Empire. Without understanding that, the "islamofascist" situation really is meaningless. Worry about who's choking you to death right now, before you worry about the barbarians over the hill.

What Is Fascism, Really?

Save the American Republic From the British Empire!

When fascism comes, JREF and others will welcome it.

Cpl Ferro

[1]
I wonder if a JREF genre film fan will spy a nit to be picked, there, perhaps using it to roundly discredit the good Lord Rees-Mogg.
 
No, I said it's wrong period.

Yet you follow it with excuses for why you can justify your admitted prejudice against Islam. It's like when white dudes tell me "no, I don't hate black people, I just hate n*****s."


I think you misunderstand me. I have no use for any religion. I don't conflate religion with race.

No, you're conflating it with culture. Islam and Judaism are uniquely similar in that the religion plays a large role in cultural customs that are mostly foreign to the majority of Western cultures. It's common for people to look disdainfully at the hijab and yet it's no different than the Orthodox Jewish or Eastern European headscarves in most of the Muslim population. You yourself make the assertion that Islam is totalitarian, even though it's no more totalitarian than any other ideology that has been used for totalitarian purposes. To claim this is the domain of religion is naive at best, grossly revisionist at worst. Stalin and Mao, for example, were not religious.


Do you not fear totalitarianism? If not, why not? If totalitarianism takes the form of religion, does that make it any less evil?

I don't fear totalitarianism or any other extremist political ideology. I consider it wrong and will reject and oppose it, but I don't fear it. Fear, in the case of possible ideologies, is a useless emotion that only elicits sloppy thinking and reactionary behavior. That simply plays into the extremist ideology's determined nature of being "us" versus "them." If the world were that simple, then we could put black hats on all the "bad guys" and white hats on all the "good guys" and finally solve all the problems in the world with a huge "good vs evil grudge match."

Unfortunately, life isn't so simple.

Oh, and just so you know: I'm not religious, I am happily agnostic and do not accept any religious teaching as having any verifiable "truth" to it in terms of mystical, spiritual, or heavenly terms. I accept that there are people who believe that their faiths are "truth" for them, but the whole concept of "truth" in my opinion does not always have to be connected with "fact" and as such is a personal interpretation. Because I feel that way, I don't entitle myself to meddle with whatever they feel is between their faith and their "soul," for whatever that is worth. I do, however, feel that Sam Clemens put it best when he said (and I paraphrase): "your right to swing your fist ends where another person's nose begins."
 
Chris Hitchens defends the term thusly:
Does Bin Ladenism or Salafism or whatever we agree to call it have anything in common with fascism?

I think yes. The most obvious points of comparison would be these: Both movements are based on a cult of murderous violence that exalts death and destruction and despises the life of the mind. ("Death to the intellect! Long live death!" as Gen. Francisco Franco's sidekick Gonzalo Queipo de Llano so pithily phrased it.) Both are hostile to modernity (except when it comes to the pursuit of weapons), and both are bitterly nostalgic for past empires and lost glories. Both are obsessed with real and imagined "humiliations" and thirsty for revenge. Both are chronically infected with the toxin of anti-Jewish paranoia (interestingly, also, with its milder cousin, anti-Freemason paranoia). Both are inclined to leader worship and to the exclusive stress on the power of one great book. Both have a strong commitment to sexual repression—especially to the repression of any sexual "deviance"—and to its counterparts the subordination of the female and contempt for the feminine. Both despise art and literature as symptoms of degeneracy and decadence; both burn books and destroy museums and treasures.
If we exempt the bit about anti-jewish paranoia, he could be speaking just as shrilly about the Neocons. Again, the reference to fascism is intentionally provocative and designed to elicit an emotional reaction rather than a reasoned one.

I'm not going to defend the actions of terrorists and totalitarian regimes, but we do justice to no-one by inciting hatred against an entire religion by improperly linking all of them with fascist ideology.
 
Did I?

Well, what would you think of say, a pointless and confrontational protest called,
American Imperialism awareness week
with
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this, as the picture?

Would you perhaps feel that such a provocative name would be perhaps unhelpful and misrepresenting to a country of 300 Million people? Because I would. I'd see it as unintellectual and morally damaging to an already confused world.

And yet such provocation is common. You can't listen to todays "progressive" set talk about issues without hearing the United States being referred to as "fascist" or "imperialist", yet is that called "unintellectual and morally damaging" too?
 
So, it is "Racism Against Arabs" week for the right-wing. I thought that was every week?


The way you lefties pretend there is no such thing as Islamic extemism and that it poses no threat to the US is amusing. The ultimate Ostrich solution:Stick you head in the sand and it will go away. The term Islamo Facism is the wrong term,but to say that anybody who thinks the Islamic Extremism is a clear and present danger is a bigot is ,frankly,stupid.

For example - all those who need to mutilate the genitals of defenceless babies for their own personal and religious gratification all need to be made fun off don't you agree?
Now the Anti Semitism emerges. No surprise.
 
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Dear Puppycow,

Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, most people, including here, are unable to process principled reality and rely on endless squabbling over logic and supposition to serve as understanding. They'll debate "issues" ad nauseum, but, truthful principles, never. The prime result of this is their superstitious belief in the eternity of the West, a constitutional inability to see its ongoing decline. If you don't read, you don't care if the libraries burn down, and when the barbarians come to rape your women, you cry "Oh, why is this happening?"

Fascism is, essentially, in terms of popular practice rather than a common suite of political ideology, the action of a kind of "beast-man" leader or his henchmen on the baser emotions of his followers, that they get a thrill from hearing him speak, that polarises them fearfully in a direction of action, often violent, as we can see with the fascist countries of the Twentieth Century. Arnold Schwarzenegger is contemporary fascism in action, backed by actual ideological fascists akin to the Straussian neo-con faction at the federal level, leading mindless throngs chanting him to "Terminate" his opponents.

As Lord William Rees-Mogg writes, "Arnold Schwarzenegger is relying on the appeal of fascism, whether or not he is personally a fascist."

"The politics of mass emotion are the politics of fascism."

"The core of all fascist movements is the direct relationship between the leader and the masses, not mediated through institutions of democracy. What does the leader do? He provides leadership. What allows him to provide leadership? The strength of his will. What is the evidence of the leader's will? The exciting feeling he creates of ultimate ruthlesness. How does Arnold Schwarzenegger demonstrate this ruthlessness? By having played a machine—not even a man—which killed hundreds of people."[1]

Islam's danger is that it is an aggressive, text-based philosophy with a history of culture-wrecking and imperialism. It is a very practical religion--they really couldn't care less what you believe in your heart, so long as you go through the proper motions. Islam produces no Hegels, no Kants, no deep psychological thinkers. Freedom of speech is inconceivable for it to originate. Islam has tried to destroy Christendom before, remember, and only heroic efforts in the Crusades and elsewhere managed to beat them back and save Europe.

But, the danger is not just from a "philosophy" that is attacking, much less "terrorists," the danger is from sheer immigration. They will outbreed us, and replace our culture with their culture--not that most people even have a culture to lose, at this point. It matters not that the proverbial 95% of the Moslem population are not aggressive; the 5% fanatics will suffice, and their victories will be assented to by the rest of them, who will not rise up to defend an alien culture, regardless of how much money it makes them.

View the above not alone, however, but, in context of overall immigration patterns. Moslems will not have a lock on all Western countries, thus, rather contributing to the same kind of trend ongoing across the board.

The only thing intelligent I've read contributed to this on this thread is the notion that we should recognise the (Anglo-American) Empire. Without understanding that, the "islamofascist" situation really is meaningless. Worry about who's choking you to death right now, before you worry about the barbarians over the hill.

What Is Fascism, Really?

Save the American Republic From the British Empire!

When fascism comes, JREF and others will welcome it.

Cpl Ferro

[1]
I wonder if a JREF genre film fan will spy a nit to be picked, there, perhaps using it to roundly discredit the good Lord Rees-Mogg.


God,this kook thinks that Britain still has an empire?????????
 
After a co-worker hung up one of the Islamo-Fascism awareness week posters this morning, I was glad to see someone else stuck one of these on it. Not that I agree with the scare tactics used at the bottom of this one, but I did laugh at it for highlighting the hypocrisy of conservative Christians criticizing Islam for being intolerant.

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And yet such provocation is common. You can't listen to todays "progressive" set talk about issues without hearing the United States being referred to as "fascist" or "imperialist", yet is that called "unintellectual and morally damaging" too?

It should be.
 
I'm not going to defend the actions of terrorists and totalitarian regimes, but we do justice to no-one by inciting hatred against an entire religion by improperly linking all of them with fascist ideology.

The organizers make a distinction between Islam and Islamo-fascism. Pretending that they don't, that they smear all of Islam, is ignorance at best.

Any religion, can be good or bad depending on the practitioner. Any philosophy or ideology taken to extremes and promoted to a system of government can be very dangerous. Islam is not at all unique in this way.

But the ugly truth is that Islamic extremists are fostering violence and repression all over the globe. From the persecution of homosexuals, women and religious minorities in Islamic countries, to the outright violence in places such as Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines and so on.

We don't do Muslims any favors by turning a blind eye to the barbarity of the extremists among them. Multi-culturalism was never supposed to embrace homophobia, oppression and violence. Muslims who want to embrace the ideals of tolerance and spread those ideals among other Muslims should find natural allies among progressives in the West, but instead those progressives falsely label even the recognition of such problems as "islamophobia" in a misguided attempt to destroy debate before the discussion even begins.
 
The organizers make a distinction between Islam and Islamo-fascism. Pretending that they don't, that they smear all of Islam, is ignorance at best.

Any religion, can be good or bad depending on the practitioner. Any philosophy or ideology taken to extremes and promoted to a system of government can be very dangerous. Islam is not at all unique in this way.

But the ugly truth is that Islamic extremists are fostering violence and repression all over the globe. From the persecution of homosexuals, women and religious minorities in Islamic countries, to the outright violence in places such as Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines and so on.

We don't do Muslims any favors by turning a blind eye to the barbarity of the extremists among them. Multi-culturalism was never supposed to embrace homophobia, oppression and violence. Muslims who want to embrace the ideals of tolerance and spread those ideals among other Muslims should find natural allies among progressives in the West, but instead those progressives falsely label even the recognition of such problems as "islamophobia" in a misguided attempt to destroy debate before the discussion even begins.

Thanks. Now, please explain how they are fascist.
 
The organizers make a distinction between Islam and Islamo-fascism. Pretending that they don't, that they smear all of Islam, is ignorance at best.

Oh, they make a 'distinction' all right. Just like the guy who makes a distinction between black people he likes and "n****rs" in my example in a previous post. It's an open-ended 'distinction' that allows for blanket statements when there's no oopposition, and a retreat back into the "some of my best friends are" defense when challenged.

Yeah. Still racist. We've been down this road so many times the music hasn't even changed, and most of the words are still the same.
 
The organizers make a distinction between Islam and Islamo-fascism. Pretending that they don't, that they smear all of Islam, is ignorance at best.
I don't think you get it - or are pretending not to.

If they are indeed fascist then yes, that is bad. But, it is the fascist bit that is bad, not the Islamo. Plunking the Islamo in front is a blatant attempt to paint all of Islam in a bad light, despite any protestations they may make in the fine print afterwards. If rising fascism is something we all need to be aware of, then fine - have a fascism awareness week.
 
I did laugh at it for highlighting the hypocrisy of conservative Christians criticizing Islam for being intolerant.

Yeah, cause opposing gay marriage is really just the same as stoning homosexuals. The hypocrisy! :rolleyes:

I'm no fan of the Christian right, but really, you're a blind fool if you can't tell the difference.
 

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