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Split Thread Islamic takeover

I agree that Russian propaganda pushes an extreme, stupid version of this "great replacement" idea in order to aid their interests. But lying is much easier when you can base it in some truth.

It´s hard to know the percentage of Muslims that support Islamism. It´s an ever changing continuum, some are fully sold, some against it, some in the middle, then get radicalised, then back... it´s quite impossible to measure properly.
So you don't know, it's just your opinion? Back in 2015 an Austrian survey found ca 97% of Iraqi and Syrian asylum seekers identified as Muslim ... but only 11% said they were "very religious" and nearly double that (20%!) said they weren't religious at all.


Heck, when asked (not by the Government) only 40% of Iranians even identify as Muslim!


There´s also not that much of a separation between Islamism and Islam, some will argue they´re the same, some will say they have nothing to do with each other. But what is clear is that is that Sharia support is not a fringe belief.
"Sharia Law" is the idea that civil law should be based on God's law. Most Christians believe in Sharia Law. They just don't call it that.
 
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I trust Western societies, and I think most of those wo have to flee, and come here, will see the advatages of living in open democracies where their rights are observed. That's what has happened with the immigrants from the Balkan wars - the far right were up in arms, threatening us with the great replacement theory back thrn as well. Didn't happen. They seem to have liked living here, and haven't tried to take over. They have also become far more secular since thrn, and the kids who have been born here are as Swedish as their peers. This will happen again, it will take longer, perhaps, the cultural differencies are greater, but it will happen, I have seen enough of the kids who have come here since 2015 to trust that it will.

And as for a huge percentage of them being islamists, I seriously doubt that.
Yeah, I don't expect people fleeing authoritarianism or war to be big fans of either.
 
The only case of a religious minority moving to a country, completely take over, institute its religious laws and expel or kill everyone of a different religion that comes to mind is...
Israel.
 
I'd also like an actual source for the claim that Muslims in Spain 'almost never' integrate in society. I did a Google search and found a report saying that Muslims are a fairly new group of immigrants in Spain:
Muslim presence in Spain is much more recent than in other European countries so at times it is not clear if there is a real integration model in this country.
Maybe that would account for how they seem more 'foreign' and less willing to integrate than the people who have been there longer?

Then again, in OP's case, I'd also take into account that someone already afraid of Muslims, and predisposed to view them as dirty furriners unwilling and unable to integrate, will easily fall victim to confirmation bias.
 
So you don't know, it's just your opinion? Back in 2015 an Austrian survey found ca 97% of Iraqi and Syrian asylum seekers identified as Muslim ... but only 11% said they were "very religious" and nearly double that (20%!) said they weren't religious at all.


Heck, when asked (not by the Government) only 40% of Iranians even identify as Muslim!



"Sharia Law" is the idea that civil law should be based on God's law. Most Christians believe in Sharia Law. They just don't call it that.
Yes, it´s my opinion, I base it on my life experience (I have travelled to several muslim countries, have talked to actual islamists, even one in Pakistan who 11 days before 9/11 seemed to know "something big was going to happen in the USA"), and having my eyes open and seeing how muslims reacted to the Charlie Hebdo or Salman Rushdie attacks and many other data points. There are also statistics, but as I said before it´s very variable and quite impossible to purely quantify.

Now that you mention Iran, that´s a good example to show that you don´t really need the majority of extremist muslims to have a bit big problem, in Iran a minority of Sharia pushing extremists keep the rest of the population in check, out of sheer brutality and willingness to go the the extreme.

So being wary of that dangerous cult is totally warranted. I note that you didn´t say anything about my mention of islam´s position regarding apostates. What do you think about that? Should be tolerate a religion that toxic and allow it to take root in Europe?

And about Extremist christians, quite the same, very dangerous too. I´m not from the USA or I would probably be more worried about them, I live in Europe and am more worried about my immediate surroundings.
 
I'd also like an actual source for the claim that Muslims in Spain 'almost never' integrate in society. I did a Google search and found a report saying that Muslims are a fairly new group of immigrants in Spain:

Maybe that would account for how they seem more 'foreign' and less willing to integrate than the people who have been there longer?

Then again, in OP's case, I'd also take into account that someone already afraid of Muslims, and predisposed to view them as dirty furriners unwilling and unable to integrate, will easily fall victim to confirmation bias.
You assume that I was predisposed against muslims and that I´m racist or something, when nothing I said warrants that. Talk about confirmation bias...
 
The only case of a religious minority moving to a country, completely take over, institute its religious laws and expel or kill everyone of a different religion that comes to mind is...
Israel.
Similarly toxic and dangerous to humanity.

It´s not a race issue, many have been brainwashed by mainstream media to react with accusations of racism as soon as they hear anything bad said agaist islam. It´s not that. The problem is religious extremism. In Europe we luckily managed to defang and keep christianity in control, most of their toxicity seems to have gone away. But let´s not open ourselves to an invasion from a similarly toxic, and still fully active cult.
 
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The rise of the far right in Europe is very easy to explain, we´re being invaded, the great replacement is not wholly a CT, a huge percentage of muslims are Islamist, and their ideology demands submission of the west. Millions of them want to do a great replacement. If the current trend continues, in a few years there will be more muslim Europeans than not. ¿what´s conpiracionist about all of this? It´s a reality that particularly working class people who share living spaces with immigrants can attest. Mainstream media keeps trying to hide it under the rug, but people are not that stupid. So if the only political parties that have a clear, strong position about this issue are far right parties they are guaranteed to win sooner or later. A tragedy for Ukraine, I wish their invasion were over by the time the Russian backed far right won but it´s looking dire...
A huge percentage of Muslims are Islamist? Well, fan me with a plate of soup! That is STUNNING news!

FFS...🙄
 
Another data point is to see how muslims view freedom of expression. French and UK polls showed that most muslims (60 to 70%) think that caricatures of Muhammad SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE PUBLISHED. This, right after the attack on Charlie Hebdo... A similar number said they were against the murders, but that still leaves at least a 10% fully supporting the killing of those who "insult islam". That´s the kind of people we are welcoming.
 
Seem somewhat like the origins of the USA.
And, oh, every instance of white people invading and colonizing a place, ever.
Other than that, there's probably countless instances of some group moving into a new region and eventually supplanting or dominating the local population. Definitely not limited to Islam, and I struggle to believe that OP actually believes that it was.

Heck, the ice retreated from Norway 12 000 years ago, and we people who live here today came here 5000 years ago. Multiple groups had lived in what we today call Norway before then.
 
Yeah, this already happened in the Netherlands.
In the mid 1800's we stopped repressing the papist peasants and gave them voting rights.
Even though all papists were clearly subject to the Pope, bred like rabbits and would breed good god fearing protestants into a minority, then vote in a papist aligned government and force us into abject subjugation.

Oh wait...
 
White people takeover

The origin of Islamism is easy to explain. A huge percentage of white people are Nazis or magats, and their ideology demands total submission to Donald Dump. The threat level depends on the country, but in several white countries the number of far-right whites is increasing, and so if the current trend increases, in a few years there will be more far-right white people in many countries than any other group! In fact a huge percentage of white people are Nazis, although I can't prove this with statistics because white people are very mysterious and arcane, rather like ghosts and djinns, and measuring far right-ness would be like measuring qi or chakras, so it's of course it's very variable and impossible to quantify. However, the fact that only a small percentage of white people are far-right supremacists just makes them like the Borg ---most of them are mindless drones concerned only with keeping their countries running and clean, while the rest plot and scheme to take over the world. Look at America, where most people aren't far-right white people, or all the colonies ruled by a tiny minority of white people: Even tiny numbers of far-right white people can be enough to completely upend a country, and as MAGA proves, they can start imposing their will long before they become a majority.

Also, if you ask working class people who share residences with white people, some of them will say the white people they live with are insufferable racists! In fact, I myself have spoken to SEVERAL white Nazis and magats who held horrible views, so I know there are a lot of them, everywhere, and one of them even said to just wait for far-right violence to happen, shortly before the July 22nd attacks! In fact, some of them even warn of a full-fledged race war! Of course, you won't find more evidence white people are horrible Nazis because mainstream media has hidden all the facts. Yes, every time someone makes progress in showing that most white people are Nazis, the mainstream media comes in the dead of night and takes all the research away!

Also, white people abhor freedom of speech, because if you cherry pick some singular opinion that's particularly vicious in their culture, you'll find most of them think it SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE PUBLISHED! Also if you look at atrocities like July 22nd, and you'll find a tiny minority of white people who supported and celebrated those attacks! If the fact that the vast majority of white people were shocked and horrified by the attack doesn't prove that white people are dangerous, I don't even know what will!

And no, this is not a race issue at all, why would you believe I'm predisposed against white people when nothing I've written indicates that. Also MAGA is not a race, so THERE!!
 
Similarly toxic and dangerous to humanity.

It´s not a race issue, many have been brainwashed by mainstream media to react with accusations of racism as soon as they hear anything bad said agaist islam. It´s not that. The problem is religious extremism. In Europe we luckily managed to defang and keep christianity in control, most of their toxicity seems to have gone away. But let´s not open ourselves to an invasion from a similarly toxic, and still fully active cult.
so you are equally appealed by Russian Orthodox Extremism?
Evangelicalism?
Whatever type of Catholicism Vance picked?
Hegseth murdering people on boats in the Name of Christ?

You are just not looking very hard when you think Islam is at all special when it comes to radical nutjobs thinking that if they appease the Sky Daddy, he will grant them wishes.
 
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so you are equally appealed by Russian Orthodox Extremism?
Evangelicalism?
Whatever type of Catholicism Vance picked?
Hegseth murdering people on boats in the Name of Christ?

You are just not looking very hard when you think Islam is at all special when it comes to radical nutjobs thinking that if they appease the Sky Daddy, he will grant them wishes.
Dude, you know, we all know, you can mock Russian Orthodox, Evangelicals, Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Scientologists, Raëlism, etc. without any worry of physical violence or death. Yet, do that openly with Islam and its warmongering, child-raping, camel-urine drinking crap founder, and let us know how it goes.

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