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ISIS teenager wants to come home

dudalb said:
I wonder if she was a member of a right wing terrorist group some people here would be quite as forgiving....
Yes, I think there a lot of ideological bias at play here.
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Please provide an example of a right-wing (as if ISIS was left wing) becoming stateless because of it.
 
RolandRat said:
She joined a known terrorist group and aided and abetted them in murder.
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And if they want to charge her for that fine. It is the whole revoking citizenship thing people are objecting too.

Hey how about we revoke the citizenship of all the insurectionists. Perfect solution there.
 
ponderingturtle said:
And if they want to charge her for that fine. It is the whole revoking citizenship thing people are objecting too.

Hey how about we revoke the citizenship of all the insurectionists. Perfect solution there.
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If they have dual citizenship then why not?
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Great so we can just decide people aren't British when we want to deny them their human rights.

Much easier than a trial.
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The Government is claiming she has dual nationality, if this is upheld then yes, we can push her off somewhere else.

Darat said:
She hasn't got dual nationality.
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Not really interested in rehashing the argument. All I'm stating is what the Government is claiming.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Great so we can just decide people aren't British when we want to deny them their human rights.

Much easier than a trial.
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And if they but her on trial, a lot of people would say she is being "persecuted".
Be honest you don't think belonging to ISIS is that big a deal.
 
dudalb said:
And if they but her on trial, a lot of people would say she is being "persecuted".
Be honest you don't think belonging to ISIS is that big a deal.
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No one here is actually taking issue with her being tried, I know courts and laws are just a pain and it much easier to get rid of these people through administrative actions instead of legal proceedings were they have rights. That is the whole point of GITMO after all.

Charge her and imprison her if that is apropraite but stripping citizenship like that is just wrong.

Ok maybe it would be appropriate to the insurrectionists just send them to GITMO and we can forget about them, no need for trials or anything, we can even be willing to send them to some other nation if we can find one who will take them.
 
RolandRat said:
The Government is claiming she has dual nationality, if this is upheld then yes, we can push her off somewhere else.



Not really interested in rehashing the argument. All I'm stating is what the Government is claiming.
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The government's claim is disputed by the other government in question. That dispute needs to be resolved, before the UK can ethically proceed on the basis of their claim.

The UK government says that Bangladeshi law says that Begum has Bangladeshi nationality. The Bangladeshi government says it doesn't work that way. Obviously if the UK refuses to let her back into the country, she'll continue to rot away in a refugee camp somewhere. There's nothing anyone else can do about that, except take her in themselves. But I would say that is unethical, and reflects horrribly on the UK, as these things are usually reckoned.

If it were up to me, and she'd been an adult when she emigrated, I'd say ISIS is her nationality, and tying her fortunes to a failed, terrorist state is her own damn fault. But she was a child at the time, so I think her decision to emigrate should be set aside. Her UK nationality should prevail, unless and until some other nation takes up her cause.
 
ponderingturtle said:
No one here is actually taking issue with her being tried, I know courts and laws are just a pain and it much easier to get rid of these people through administrative actions instead of legal proceedings were they have rights. That is the whole point of GITMO after all.

Charge her and imprison her if that is apropraite but stripping citizenship like that is just wrong.

Ok maybe it would be appropriate to the insurrectionists just send them to GITMO and we can forget about them, no need for trials or anything, we can even be willing to send them to some other nation if we can find one who will take them.
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actually in many places, the US included, one of the things, the few things that can lose one's citizenship, even in the extreme example of a US citizen born and raised, is..... treason.
 
ponderingturtle said:
No one here is actually taking issue with her being tried, I know courts and laws are just a pain and it much easier to get rid of these people through administrative actions instead of legal proceedings were they have rights. That is the whole point of GITMO after all.

Charge her and imprison her if that is apropraite but stripping citizenship like that is just wrong.

Ok maybe it would be appropriate to the insurrectionists just send them to GITMO and we can forget about them, no need for trials or anything, we can even be willing to send them to some other nation if we can find one who will take them.
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forget about the Insurrectionists in Gitmo, no... send them there, why not. Isn't that where terrorists go?
 
jollyroger85 said:
actually in many places, the US included, one of the things, the few things that can lose one's citizenship, even in the extreme example of a US citizen born and raised, is..... treason.
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That would require a conviction, yes?
 
Whether or not you think she should have the right to return, you have to admit that the Bangladeshi thing is silly. They were simply desperate to wash their hands of the whole affair, and the fact that they used her heritage to do so skirts just close enough to systemic racism to make me uncomfortable.

Thank god there aren't more generations between her and Bangladesh.
 
gnome said:
That would require a conviction, yes?
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Yes BUT..... it's emperical fact they chose to willing travel to where ISIS was and join up, effectively joining a foreign military, which is one of those pesky things that qualifies as grounds for loss of citizenship in the uS at least. UK likely has similar. Due process would favor her in the outcome.

Were I the judge, I would strip of citizenship and deport them stateless, a fate worse than conviction. Because joining terrorists is bad, m'kay?
 
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