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Is Walmart Evil?

I havent seen the movie, but from what i've seen on the few anti-wal-mart websites, and at the risk of sounding like a republican - people seem to be very angry that wal-mart is making money.

Although I did read recently in a news article that wal-mart was fined for supposed intentional use of illegal aliens as employees. Personally, I have no issues with illegal aliens who want to work...in my mind they are far better than legal american citizens who dont want to work.
 
Crowbot said:
Personally, I have no issues with illegal aliens who want to work...in my mind they are far better than legal american citizens who dont want to work.
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Neither pay taxes; however, illegal aliens who work take money out of the country.

And yes, your memory is correct; Walmart was indeed fined with hiring illegals.
 
Is Wal-Mart evil? Hmmm...it's a matter of opinion. I like to think that Wal-Mart is not so much evil as it is the unfortunate result of poor labor standards and out of control credit based economy coupled with a distorted Christian fundamentalist business doctrine.
 
jmercer said:
Neither pay taxes; however, illegal aliens who work take money out of the country.
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So does the vatican, any global company, and many americans themselves (tourism ring a bell?). Why should we dictate where people who want to work in America take the money they rightfully earned by working here?

My grandparents came to this country as illegal immigrants from Cuba. My grandfather began working at a sugar mill as an entry level employee (that's the politically correct way for me to say "just another field working spic") and within 30 years he gained his american citizenship and became a lead mechanical technician (he makes 6 figures, which 6 he has never revealed to me) and is now planning for retirement.
 
Oops clicked "post" too soon, I just wanted to add: Shame on anyone who would prevent someone like my grandfather from prospering in this country. Shame on anyone who would have tried to prevent me from potentially even existing.
 
There was huge drama at my workplace last week when someone found out that Walmart plans to discontinue layaway. The verdict of my loudest coworkers is that this move, timed to occur in November, will "ruin Christmas".
 
They've subsequently changed their policy, but the idea of locking employees in at night does not seems to be an idea that was conceived out of goodness.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/18/n...&en=659ee9a0025b35de&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

Looking back to that night, Michael Rodriguez still has trouble believing the situation he faced when he was stocking shelves on the overnight shift at the Sam's Club in Corpus Christi, Tex.

It was 3 a.m., Mr. Rodriguez recalled, some heavy machinery had just smashed into his ankle, and he had no idea how he would get to the hospital.


The Sam's Club, a Wal-Mart subsidiary, had locked its overnight workers in, as it always did, to keep robbers out and, as some managers say, to prevent employee theft. As usual, there was no manager with a key to let Mr. Rodriguez out. The fire exit, he said, was hardly an option — management had drummed into the overnight workers that if they ever used that exit for anything but a fire, they would lose their jobs.

"My ankle was crushed," Mr. Rodriguez said, explaining he had been struck by an electronic cart driven by an employee moving stacks of merchandise. "I was yelling and running around like a hurt dog that had been hit by a car. Another worker made some phone calls to reach a manager, and it took an hour for someone to get there and unlock the door."
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One can keep robbers out by having locked doors that can be opened from the inside.
 
jmercer said:
Neither pay taxes; however, illegal aliens who work take money out of the country.

And yes, your memory is correct; Walmart was indeed fined with hiring illegals.
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Actually, illegal immigrants do pay taxes. It is really tough to escape paying sales taxes on everyday items. Also, a large number of illegal immigrants are paying payroll taxes (Social Security, Medicaid). The employers take down their phoney SSN, start giving them paychecks, and sending the required cut to the IRS. The IRS for some reason does not devote a great deal of investigator hours to money coming in from these non-people (if they try to collect Social Security of Medicaid however...)

Combine this with the fact that illegal immigrants are not legally eligible for many government services and are unwilling to take advantage of others for fear of deportation, and you find that the "cost" to America of having these people in our country is a lot lower than you would think. In many areas, the government gets a net profit off of them.
 
Crowbot said:
Oops clicked "post" too soon, I just wanted to add: Shame on anyone who would prevent someone like my grandfather from prospering in this country. Shame on anyone who would have tried to prevent me from potentially even existing.
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Are you suggesting we should have no immigration laws whatsoever? No country does that, nor should they. And I don't feel ashamed.
 
BTW, the illegal "WalMart workers" were a cleaning crew from a separate company hired by WalMart.
 
If one defines "evil" as "that which is not in my overall best interest, as I consider it" and one defines "good" as that which is in my best interest, as I consider it" then Walmart easily fall well within the Good List.
 
WildCat said:
I'm sorry, but he is an idiot for not going out the fire door.
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Yes you are sorry, but that's another subject. Howver, He may be an idiot for not using the fire door, but WalMart is still in the wrong for locking employees in the building.
 
Tony said:
Yes you are sorry, but that's another subject. Howver, He may be an idiot for not using the fire door, but WalMart is still in the wrong for locking employees in the building.
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They're not locked in if the fire doors are operating.
 
Rob Lister said:
If one defines "evil" as "that which is not in my overall best interest, as I consider it" and one defines "good" as that which is in my best interest, as I consider it" then Walmart easily fall well within the Good List.
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Well, lets be grateful that no one is scummy enough (except maybe Kim Jung Ill and the late Uday Hussien) to define "evil" and "good" in such selfish terms.
 
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Tony said:
Yes they are. What is someone suppose to do if they need to go to their car?
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They're at work. Most employers frown on you doing your personal business on their dime. I fail to see how going to their car gets a shelf stocked.
 
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