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Merged Is ufology a pseudoscience?

ufology said:
<snip> The actual position is that any information can (be) used that advances the pursuit of truth in an effort to determine what is reasonable to believe.
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Parenthesis mine

This is not a position, it is a collection of statements loosely bound by ambiguous grammar.

Besides, your position has become quite clear the past 14 pages. You have thoroughly demonstrated the lack of critical thinking in ufology.
 
Fred said:
You're wrong. This is not bigotry. For years and years various individuals have been claiming or, in the case of the somewhat more down-to-earth, putting forward the hypothesis that UFOs are under the control of extraterrestrials/aliens. During all those years, not one scrap of definitive verifiable evidence supporting their claims or hypotheses has been produced, and proof there has been none.

In these circumstances, it is not bigotry but pretty damn logical to respond to such claims with a high degree of skepticism, and pretty damn inevitable that after all this time (yawn) a measure of ridicule will also come into play.
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big·ot·ry noun
prejudice and intolerance: intolerance toward people who hold different views, especially on matters of politics, religion, or ethnicity
Encarta® World English Dictionary © 1999,2000

The claims of skeptics have equated ufology with religion on numerous occasions, but even if you don't think they do, the prejudice and intolerance factor is plainly self-evident. You've lumped everyone into the same group and tarred and feathered them all so that you have an excuse to ridicule them. It's shameful.

j.r.
 
Turgor said:
Parenthesis mine

This is not a position, it is a collection of statements loosely bound by ambiguous grammar.

Besides, your position has become quite clear the past 14 pages. You have thoroughly demonstrated the lack of critical thinking in ufology.
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Your statement quoted above is a straw man ( based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position ). It is pseudoskeptical and deserves no further comment.

If however you want to discuss how the pursuit of truth is in some way a bad thing in critical thinking, then please do so.

j.r.
 
ufology said:
big·ot·ry noun
prejudice and intolerance: intolerance toward people who hold different views, especially on matters of politics, religion, or ethnicity
Encarta® World English Dictionary © 1999,2000
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Any idea what that © symbol means?


ufology said:
The claims of skeptics have equated ufology with religion on numerous occasions, but even if you don't think they do, the prejudice and intolerance factor is plainly self-evident. You've lumped everyone into the same group and tarred and feathered them all so that you have an excuse to ridicule them. It's shameful.

j.r.
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What's shameful is that there are allegedly grown-up people who still believe in flying saucers.
 
Hi Akhenaten. Thanks for acknowledging me, this isn't my first post on this thread but the first that got an answer :)

ufology, did you really forget what you posted 15 minutes ago?

ufology said:
The actual position is that any information can used that advances the pursuit of truth in an effort to determine what is reasonable to believe.
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ETA: The quote above doesn't make sense. It seems to be to be practically useless as a position to take from where to research anything.
 
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ufology said:

Your statement quoted above is a straw man ( based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position ). It is pseudoskeptical and deserves no further comment.
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No.


ufology said:
If however you want to discuss how the pursuit of truth is in some way a bad thing in critical thinking, then please do so.

j.r.
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Nobody is disputing the relationship between critical thinking and the pursuit of truth.

The only thing that was up for grabs was the possibility of a relationship between critical thinking, the pursuit of truth and ufology, although by now it's obvious even to passers by that no such relationship exists.
 
ufology said:
big·ot·ry noun
prejudice and intolerance: intolerance toward people who hold different views, especially on matters of politics, religion, or ethnicity
Encarta® World English Dictionary © 1999,2000

The claims of skeptics have equated ufology with religion on numerous occasions, but even if you don't think they do, the prejudice and intolerance factor is plainly self-evident. You've lumped everyone into the same group and tarred and feathered them all so that you have an excuse to ridicule them. It's shameful.
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People here have been overly tolerant of your bastardisation of science, language and critical thinking.
 
Playing a discrimination card is pretty low, really. Crying bigotry is no substitute for evidence; at the moment all you have is blind belief and the credulous attitude that people are reliable, truthful eyewitnesses. They aren't. As House says, "everybody lies". Start there instead of starting from "everybody is truthful and reliable".

All ufologists/flying saucerers/ET hypothesisers need to do is to produce even a skerrick of credible evidence, and look at the anecdotes you do have with a critical eye.
 
ufology said:
You're using what the other skeptics call the "straw man" a misrepresentation of an opponent's position.
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So have you also redefined "the pursuit of truth" to include lies about your motives?

ufology said:
The actual position is that any information can used that advances the pursuit of truth in an effort to determine what is reasonable to believe.
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But you already have a belief, it's plastered all over your website in the form of unverifiable anecdotes. If you think that your belief doesn't colour your judgement about what 'advances the pursuit of truth' then perhaps you need to question your "own conscious and unimpaired senses".
And look back through the unverifiable potentially inaccurate/fictional nonsense you've already tried to pass off here at this forum, as things that you would like to "advance the pursuit of truth", which is nothing more than what we've seen hundreds of times ie: Sceptics will have to lower their standards as to what they accept.
ufology said:
You need to clarify what you are saying in that last part above.
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If you don't want people to point out the faulty logic of unproven claims of physical evidence in this thread, then don't use faulty logic to present unproven claims of physical evidence in this thread.
 
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Akhenaten said:
No.


Nobody is disputing the relationship between critical thinking and the pursuit of truth.

The only thing that was up for grabs was the possibility of a relationship between critical thinking, the pursuit of truth and ufology, although by now it's obvious even to passers by that no such relationship exists.
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So are you implying that the use of critical thinking in the pursuit of truth is only limited to everything else besides ufology? Because that isn't what the thread is about either. Neither is it "obvious" to any passer by that no such relationship exists. Your just spouting more pseudosketicism.

j.r.
 
Agatha said:
Playing a discrimination card is pretty low, really. Crying bigotry is no substitute for evidence; at the moment all you have is blind belief and the credulous attitude that people are reliable, truthful eyewitnesses. They aren't. As House says, "everybody lies". Start there instead of starting from "everybody is truthful and reliable".
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What I can't understand is how the Encarta definition includes politics, religion and ethnicity as things at which bigotry can be directed, but not flying saucery. Shocking omission that.


Agatha said:
All ufologists/flying saucerers/ET hypothesisers need to do is to produce even a skerrick of credible evidence, and look at the anecdotes you do have with a critical eye.
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But there's lot's and lot's of anecdotes!!! If only the bigoted, meanie sceptics would allow that, say, 100 anecdotes = 1 evident then ufology would be more legitimate than physics and besides it's only those other ufologists that are making stuff up and critical thinking is just a strawman and . . .
 
There is another poster on this forum who has a habit of making posts in this pattern:
So are you implying that <gross mischaracterisation of an opponent's position>.
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I would hate to see you fall into the same trap, ufology.
 
Akhenaten said:
Oh, so that's allowable then, is it?

I'll just make a note of that.
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Do that ... just remember images tend to be another story. If you want a decent resolution image of the USI emblem try asking. I might even grant permission and send it to you, provided it is used in a non-defamatory manner.

j.r.
 
ufology said:
So are you implying that the use of critical thinking in the pursuit of truth is only limited to everything else besides ufology?
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No, just that you are not employing critical thinking in your "pursuit of truth"
As evidenced in this thread.
 
ufology said:
So are you implying that the use of critical thinking in the pursuit of truth is only limited to everything else besides ufology?
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No, not at all.

What I'm saying straight out, rather than just implying, is that ufology that "stands with all those people who honestly know from the evidence of their own conscious and unimpaired senses, that Earth is being visited by objects of alien origin" has nothing to do with critical thinking.

Is that clear enough?


ufology said:
Because that isn't what the thread is about either.
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Well, it is actually


ufology said:
Neither is it "obvious" to any passer by that no such relationship exists.
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We should have a poll.


ufology said:
Your just spouting more pseudosketicism.


j.r.
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It's "you're".
 
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