Is Trump Really Racist? Danger of crying wolf?

[Drewbot]

Trump is not affiliated with, or accepting of racist groups.

This article clearly lays out the case that he is not racist, and the media has created a 'cry wolf' problem, in which , if someone ran for president who was actually a racist, the media cries of racist, would fall on deaf, over saturated ears of people who won't believe them.

I strongly recommend reading this article.

http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http:...w3QWIxRnVxRw==&b=t:TA_nNgSP4kCXBxItG5afUg&m=1

 

[Spindrift]

Trump is not affiliated with, or accepting of racist groups.

This article clearly lays out the case that he is not racist, and the media has created a 'cry wolf' problem, in which , if someone ran for president who was actually a racist, the media cries of racist, would fall on deaf, over saturated ears of people who won't believe them.

I strongly recommend reading this article.

http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http:...w3QWIxRnVxRw==&b=t:TA_nNgSP4kCXBxItG5afUg&m=1

Two words: Jeff Sessions

 

[varwoche]

Trump is not affiliated with, or accepting of racist groups.

This article clearly lays out the case that he is not racist, and the media has created a 'cry wolf' problem, in which , if someone ran for president who was actually a racist, the media cries of racist, would fall on deaf, over saturated ears of people who won't believe them.

I strongly recommend reading this article.

http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http:...w3QWIxRnVxRw==&b=t:TA_nNgSP4kCXBxItG5afUg&m=1

At first glance, the article is a steaming load of biased BS. Please point out the bits that make your case and I'll re-examine.

 

[Trebuchet]

Trump is not affiliated with, or accepting of racist groups.

This article clearly lays out the case that he is not racist, and the media has created a 'cry wolf' problem, in which , if someone ran for president who was actually a racist, the media cries of racist, would fall on deaf, over saturated ears of people who won't believe them.

I strongly recommend reading this article.

http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http:...w3QWIxRnVxRw==&b=t:TA_nNgSP4kCXBxItG5afUg&m=1

That's not the sort of link I'll ever click on.

Trump's a Trumpist. But his campaign was racist from day one, and, like Spindrift says, he's just appointed one to be AG.

 

[RussDill]

Ya, I suppose it might not be as bad as people make it out to be. He might not be a racist, bigoted xenophobe. He might just be a bigoted xenophone:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anti-muslim-hate-groups-steve-bannon_us_582b1cf0e4b0c4b63b0e70c3

Basically, we're talking about Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, and Frank Gaffney.

 

[Beerina]

That's not the sort of link I'll ever click on.

t.umblr.com, that's the same thing as tumblr, right?

 

[Bob001]

Trump is not affiliated with, or accepting of racist groups.

This article clearly lays out the case that he is not racist, and the media has created a 'cry wolf' problem, in which , if someone ran for president who was actually a racist, the media cries of racist, would fall on deaf, over saturated ears of people who won't believe them.
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"Racist" hardly has a precise definition. If you ask whether Trump is a Ku Klux Klan-style racist who thinks black people are somehow inferior to whites, the answer is probably no. But he has a history of abusing minorities for his own gain. His real estate company was sued in the '70s for not renting to blacks. His AC casino employees have reported that blacks were discriminated against in multiple ways. He famously said he didn't want black people counting his money. He bought newspaper ads calling for the execution of the "Central Park Five," five black teenagers who were later proven innocent of a terrible attack, and he has never admitted being wrong. Calling Mexicans thieves and racists, and claiming that a federal judge with Mexican parents couldn't judge him fairly, is pretty much the textbook definition of racism, as Paul Ryan said. Demeaning all Muslims is no different. The whole "Make America Great Again!" theme is a dog-whistle that the KKK and the Nazis and the rednecks certainly hear as "Make America White Again!" Whether Trump is a racist in his heart is hard to say. But on the public record, he promotes and benefits from racism, and that's plenty bad enough.

 

[sunmaster14]

That's not the sort of link I'll ever click on.

Trump's a Trumpist. But his campaign was racist from day one, and, like Spindrift says, he's just appointed one to be AG.

The blogger is Scott Alexander, who is an extremely insightful and brilliant writer. He is also a liberal. He is well worth reading.

As for Jeff Sessions being a racist, that's pretty much garbage. Jeff Sessions was "borked" by Ted Kennedy before "borked" was even a word. And that was 30 years ago. Less than 25 years after Robert Byrd was a Grand Wizard for the KKK, he was voted Senate Majority Whip by the Democrats.

 

[sunmaster14]

"Racist" hardly has a precise definition. If you ask whether Trump is a Ku Klux Klan-style racist who thinks black people are somehow inferior to whites, the answer is probably no. But he has a history of abusing minorities for his own gain. His real estate company was sued in the '70s for not renting to blacks. His AC casino employees have reported that blacks were discriminated against in multiple ways. He famously said he didn't want black people counting his money. He bought newspaper ads calling for the execution of the "Central Park Five," five black teenagers who were later proven innocent of a terrible attack, and he has never admitted being wrong. Calling Mexicans thieves and racists, and claiming that a federal judge with Mexican parents couldn't judge him fairly, is pretty much the textbook definition of racism, as Paul Ryan said. Demeaning all Muslims is no different. The whole "Make America Great Again!" theme is a dog-whistle that the KKK and the Nazis and the rednecks certainly hear as "Make America White Again!" Whether Trump is a racist in his heart is hard to say. But on the public record, he promotes and benefits from racism, and that's plenty bad enough.

Both claims here are demonstrably false.

These claims are more subjective, but I believe they are false.

 

[Donal]

Its like a drug dealer. Who cares if he buys his own product? He's still selling it to people.

He surrounds himself and panders to white supremacists and their apologists. Isn't that bad enough?

 

[Belz...]

These claims are more subjective, but I believe they are false.

"Some, I assume, are good people"?

The blogger is Scott Alexander, who is an extremely insightful and brilliant writer. He is also a liberal. He is well worth reading.

As for Jeff Sessions being a racist, that's pretty much garbage. Jeff Sessions was "borked" by Ted Kennedy before "borked" was even a word. And that was 30 years ago. Less than 25 years after Robert Byrd was a Grand Wizard for the KKK, he was voted Senate Majority Whip by the Democrats.

What does it take for one to be a racist, I wonder.

 

[Donal]

What does it take for one to be a racist, I wonder.

I don't know about a regular racist, but apparently, saying "white people have it pretty good" makes you a reverse racist.

 

[sunmaster14]

"Some, I assume, are good people"?



What does it take for one to be a racist, I wonder.

Every country has thieves and rapists. Saying that a particular country is "sending" a disproportionate number of them to our country is not racist. It might not be true, it might be based on faulty evidence, but it is not saying anything negative about an identifiable ethnic group. At worst, it is only saying something negative about a subset of such an ethnic group which has been selected for its negative properties. It's similar to saying that most of the Jews in prison are thieves and rapists. Do you think that would be antisemitic?

 

[Belz...]

I don't know about a regular racist, but apparently, saying "white people have pretty good" makes you a reverse racist.

Huh?

 

[sunmaster14]

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What does it take for one to be a racist, I wonder.

What does it take for one to be exonerated of accusations of racism, I wonder? If somebody makes a completely uncorroborated accusation that you said something racist 30 years ago, does that mean you are now a racist?

 

[Belz...]

Every country has thieves and rapists. Saying that a particular country is "sending" a disproportionate number of them to our country is not racist.

You have an amazing ability to ignore the connotations of language.

Trump intimated that the Mexicans in the USA were overwhelmingly linked to drugs or rape.

What does it take for one to be exonerated of accusations of racism, I wonder?

Don't make racist comments. That'd be a good start

 

[Spindrift]

Both claims here are demonstrably false.

These claims are more subjective, but I believe they are false.

There are not false.

Trump's ad called for the return of the death penalty and said the accused should be afraid. The inference is very clear. Willfully ignoring it doesn't make it false.

The convictions were vacated and the charges were dropped. Since no court finds anyone 'innocent', you are technically correct. But they were exonerated.

 

[sunmaster14]

There are not false.

Trump's ad called for the return of the death penalty and said the accused should be afraid. The inference is very clear. Willfully ignoring it doesn't make it false.

I discussed this in another thread. Why don't you dig up a copy of the ad that Trump paid for. It doesn't explicitly mention the Central Park Five at all. Futhermore, it calls for reinstatement of the death penalty as general policy. Because it would be ex post facto, it couldn't be applied to the Central Park Five in any event, and I'm sure that Trump understood that.

The convictions were vacated and the charges were dropped. Since no court finds anyone 'innocent', you are technically correct. But they were exonerated.

I think it is likely that at least some, and perhaps all, of the Central Park Five were guilty of being involved in the attack. In any event, it was certainly not proved that they were innocent.

 

[RussDill]

I think it is likely that at least some, and perhaps all, of the Central Park Five were guilty of being involved in the attack. In any event, it was certainly not proved that they were innocent.

In other words, you are using your own "facts" here and expect us just to go along with it. This even after the sole attacker confessed.

BTW, here's the ad for those that want to see it https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/fbbef0c3b1eddc6279b92e601d2dc63585397b48/0_0_970_1367/master/970.jpg

 

[Mumbles]

Two words: Jeff Sessions

Nation-wide Stop and Frisk - an explicitly violent, ineffective, and unconstitutional call to use state power to harass black and brown people.

The OP is a silly attempt at gaslighting, and nothing more. Don't need help recognizing a white supremacist, been doing it for 40 years now because my life's depended on it.