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Before someone does the 5 seconds of Google search for "Herman+Cain+hat", let me just state that the giant, crazy, fringed velvet hats ZB is making an attempt at apologia for will not show up, just the black cowboy hat he's worn at numerous appearances and will only count as "large, goofy hats" in certain contexts.
Never said is was easy Brother, and i don't care if it keeps on going until it destroys us all, i find it entirely laughable that something like saying just another smooth talker wearing pimp hats can bring on such a problem with people, and i am not talking about us here cause i think most know it is a joke anyway.
Thanks but i really don't need any advice, unless you lived though what i did ?? see the problem here, there are some that can't tell a friendly joke or light humor for the life of them, go back and reread what i posted
That's it ? that's all you got, i figured more from ya, crap am i disappointed, don't you have a racist experience you want too share, maybe something you did or something that happened to ya, you know talk from experience, it is the best way to discuss complex issues right ???
These threads (you know the ones - where people piss and moan because they can't say ****** or argue that "shuckin' and jivin' watermelon eater" is just a collection of words with individual meanings) are a joke.
Here's what. I'll concede that many people eat fried chicken. I'll concede that many people think watermelon is just plain delicious. I'll concede that many different ethnic groups have had government issue cheese at certain times.
I will, however, be damned if I'm going to the corner of 145th and Lennox and saying out loud, "Say, would some of you ladies and gentlemen care to come to my place and partake of some fried chicken with welfare cheese and have smoe nice watermelon for dessert.
Gumboot - it'd go over real well in Auckland. No one gets the connotation. But in the inner city in the USA, it'd get you killed. Yes, killed. It's a string of bigoted stereotypes and by the time you got out the first three syllables of a well wrought discourse on the meaning of words, someone will have "busted a cap" (another new whiteboyism) in your ass.
This is not PCism, this is normal intelligence. I also know for a fact that chink has other meanings as does slope and probably gook and beaner and wetback. It does not take more than a little bit of common sense, however, to know that I wouldn't think of calling one of the subject minorities these cute nicknames to their faces unless I'm suicidal or a complete misanthrope and really don't give a damn what anyone thinks of me.
No, because the prejudice is obvious and clear in your remark. I think you missed my point. Let's pretend you make a remark about a bank CEO "stealing our money", and it happens that the CEO was Jewish. If we presume there's no pre-existing reason for me to assume you're being anti-semitic, if I assume you are, I myself am being anti-semitic.
Maybe you're being anti-semitic too, but maybe you're not. The point is there's no real justification - in that context - for me to assume you were making a reference to the racial stereotype. The fact that I immediately jumped to that conclusion indicates that the stereotype was the first thing that jumped into my head, which indicates prejudice on my part.
Surely this is culturally specific? Are people who wear these pimp hats black and black only? (do people really wear those purple things and isn't it a bit of a step for a hint for the anti-vice squads?).
A pimp is a sleazy seller of illegal and corrupt practices living off the enslavement of others, I can see the political link come to think of it, but pimps can be all colours. So comparing a politician to a pimp isn't racist unless that hat thing is some sort of US codified form of racism.
These threads (you know the ones - where people piss and moan because they can't say ****** or argue that "shuckin' and jivin' watermelon eater" is just a collection of words with individual meanings) are a joke.
Here's what. I'll concede that many people eat fried chicken. I'll concede that many people think watermelon is just plain delicious. I'll concede that many different ethnic groups have had government issue cheese at certain times.
I will, however, be damned if I'm going to the corner of 145th and Lennox and saying out loud, "Say, would some of you ladies and gentlemen care to come to my place and partake of some fried chicken with welfare cheese and have smoe nice watermelon for dessert.
Gumboot - it'd go over real well in Auckland. No one gets the connotation. But in the inner city in the USA, it'd get you killed. Yes, killed. It's a string of bigoted stereotypes and by the time you got out the first three syllables of a well wrought discourse on the meaning of words, someone will have "busted a cap" (another new whiteboyism) in your ass.
This is not PCism, this is normal intelligence. I also know for a fact that chink has other meanings as does slope and probably gook and beaner and wetback. It does not take more than a little bit of common sense, however, to know that I wouldn't think of calling one of the subject minorities these cute nicknames to their faces unless I'm suicidal or a complete misanthrope and really don't give a damn what anyone thinks of me.
Quite a few Americans seem to disagree with this notion that "pimp" is a black racist slur, so while I appreciate the general thrust of your post, I am not sure you're correct in this specific instance.
Quite a few Americans seem to disagree with this notion that "pimp" is a black racist slur, so while I appreciate the general thrust of your post, I am not sure you're correct in this specific instance.
Quite a few Americans seem to disagree with this notion that "pimp" is a black racist slur, so while I appreciate the general thrust of your post, I am not sure you're correct in this specific instance.
I was going to add a bit more to my post, but I'm too verbose as it is. That bit more would've included (and should've - because I didn't mean to single you out, truly)....
...And for those of you who legitimately do not know that this is a racist stereotype because you've not lived through that time or in those places, you are excused. For those of you who recognize the theme and are trying to declaw the meaning and make it something harmless that only bleeding heart PC liberals would take offense to, please take my Lennox Avenue challenge. I can assure you a warm greeting. It's racist, you know it's racist, and no amount of saying "they're just words" or "I know of a white pimp" or "I've seen pictures of white guys in those hats" is going to change that. It's a racial stereotype like the black chauffeur in 30s movies who used to smack his lips and bug out his eyes and say, "Was dat a ghos' I seen Mistah Charlie?"
I will, however, be damned if I'm going to the corner of 145th and Lennox and saying out loud, "Say, would some of you ladies and gentlemen care to come to my place and partake of some fried chicken with welfare cheese and have smoe nice watermelon for dessert.
There is no question that there are still many full blown racists who deliberately choose their words to denigrate other races and make clear that that is what they are doing.
There is also no shortage of racists that make more subtle remarks that are nevertheless intended to offend other races.
However, classifying every single statement as "racist" or "not racist" even when no reference to race is apparent is absurd. Not only does it render the term meaningless, it stifles free speech as it makes people fear that a remark of theirs might be interpreted as racist. It is a tool of political correctness.
...And for those of you who legitimately do not know that this is a racist stereotype because you've not lived through that time or in those places, you are excused.
Once a phrasing or term has become "racist", does it thus remain racist for all time?
Because it seems to me, one of the issues with this specific term might be a generational issue. There's been a couple of references to 70's media and its portrayal of black pimps in the USA.
You can't simply declare a particular word or phrase racist and then dismiss it as off-limits for all time. There comes a time when it's not racist any more.
To grab one example I'm intimately familar with, you'll often here New Zealanders of all racial persuasions talking to each other using "bro-talk" - what is essentially a parody of how Maori talk to each other, using phrases like "cuzzie", "bro", "chur", "sweet as", and so forth. Often this is done consciously or not, with an NZ Maori accent.
Once upon a time, this was almost undoubtedly racist. If you suggested that to any New Zealander today (or at least any young NZer) I suspect they'd laugh at you. Everyone does it. Whites, Polynesians, Asians, Indians. You name the racial/ethnic group, and they'll talk like that. Amongst themselves and between groups. It's not racist, it's just part of our culture now. (bizarrely, this way of talking also often includes deliberate "european" mispronunciations of maori ("maaareee") words, suggesting it's actually the amalgamation of two separate racist stereotypes into a single collective speech pattern).
It would be interesting, I suppose to do some sort of survey with older New Zealanders and see if they felt it was racist or not. I can tell you for a fact that people of my generation and younger do not consider it racist, and intend no racial aspect to it whatsoever.
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