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Is this another milestone in a racially motivated arms race?

Distracted1 said:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-of-black-lives-matter-protest-in-minneapolis

Apparently, several protesters at a rally in Minneapolis were shot last night by reportedly masked white men who might have been harassing the protestors verbally.
Early reports indicate that the "counter-protestors" may have been being "escorted" away from the rally when shots rang out.
I suspect there will be a great deal of argument/counter argument surrounding this incident with shades of Trayyvon Martin if the men are caught and turn out to be who the initial reports indicate they are.

I wonder,
With the attention that the "Black Lives Matter" movement has been garnering since Michael Brown- and the agita that has been causing amongst many, will we be looking back at this incident next summer as a tipping point wherein the serious violence began?
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Hardly! This was nothing...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-least-10-shot-at-party-in-new-orleans-park/


NEW ORLEANS — A gun battle erupted amid a gathering at a New Orleans park Sunday evening, scattering the crowd of revelers and wounding 16 people in a spasm of sudden violence.


New Orleans Police Department spokesperson Garry Flot said it’s unclear what ignited the shootout at Bunny Friend Park, where hundreds of people had gathered for a music video shoot and block party.


Flot said two groups began firing at each other across the crowd shortly after 6 p.m. Sunday. It’s possible that gang members were involved, according to Flot. The gunmen aren’t thought to be associated with a neighborhood parade happening nearby.
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Another article mentioned that bullet casings found at the scene indicated that some automatic weapons were used.

This is two groups of gang members starting a shootout in the middle of a crowd of hundreds of people, yet the new thread of the day which indicates that "serious violence has begun" involves a couple of white guys at a Black Lives Matter rally?

Those damn white people! Did Black Lives Matter have anything to say about this incident, or the dozens of gang related shootings that happen every damn day? It seems that black lives don't really matter, it's the whiteys that we need to worry about.

I couldn't immediately find (maybe there is one) a link that CNN even reported this shootout. A gang shootout involving two groups of people shooting across a crowd of hundreds of people in a NO park - that is some scary stuff.
 
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mgidm86 said:
Hardly! This was nothing...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-least-10-shot-at-party-in-new-orleans-park/




Another article mentioned that bullet casings found at the scene indicated that some automatic weapons were used.

This is two groups of gang members starting a shootout in the middle of a crowd of hundreds of people, yet the new thread of the day which indicates that "serious violence has begun" involves a couple of white guys at a Black Lives Matter rally?

Those damn white people! Did Black Lives Matter have anything to say about this incident, or the dozens of gang related shootings that happen every damn day? It seems that black lives don't really matter, it's the whiteys that we need to worry about.

I couldn't immediately find (maybe there is one) a link that CNN even reported this shootout. A gang shootout involving two groups of people shooting across a crowd of hundreds of people in a NO park - that is some scary stuff.
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While the gun battle you linked to is certainly ghastly, it lacks the racial animus component of the one at the BLM gathering.

The BLM protest shooting could indicate a willingness on the part of some to "take the bait", and begin to deliberately antagonize these protesters with the goal of inciting just the type of violence that occurred. It doesn't take a great leap of imagination to expect some people at future BLM demonstrations to show up armed- using this incident as justification.
That is pretty much a textbook example of things escalating, no?
 
Skeptic Tank said:
I listened while looking at your transcript, and it was very precise and accurate.



I guess your phone autocorrected "dindus" into "find us."

Yea, these guys call them dindus and they seem to be going to deliberately stir them up or at least try to document what they're doing in the hopes that they capture "the real situation the media won't show us" etc. That sort of mindset. I don't think it's that crazy. I don't think it's crazy to feel that the media sugar coats BLM type gatherings somewhat and that there is a service for the public to be done in presenting a more accurate picture of how a lot of the participants at these things behave.

Them bringing legally owned/carried firearms doesn't strike me as a problem. It actually strikes me as very prudent. This has seemingly now been proven by exactly what happened to them (illegally attacked by the protesters and taken off to where no cameras were for additional, more violent attacks)

Did you see the video of one of the blacks there telling another black person to turn off their camera as they all closed in on these guys who they already had circled with their backs up against something? I saw it. That video was apparently just prior to them opening fire.

It's legal to shoot at a group of people who are physically attacking you and making their intent to escalate that attack clear, is it not?

Some will say it is a deliberate provocation to go there as white males with masks and firearms and it may be. But just like the videos where pranksters go to the ghetto and say things or do things, knowing they'll be rapidly and reliably physically attacked, one must keep in mind that this same sort of "provocation" doesn't work in other areas and on other communities.

I would say that the exact same attributes that make there be such a long list of reliable ways to get physically attacked in these areas are also the same reasons why the events which these protests follow happen in the first place.

If a person or a community is a known violent hot head who can be very, very easily provoked... it may be d-baggish for others to deliberately take advantage of that to stir them up, make them do something stupid, and then get them in trouble... but ultimately the solution is for them to stop being like that so they can't be set up in that way.
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I find it extremely unlikely that someone who deliberately goads a hothead into violent action could convincingly portray themselves as someone who is performing a public service.
 
Distracted1 said:
While the gun battle you linked to is certainly ghastly, it lacks the racial animus component of the one at the BLM gathering.

The BLM protest shooting could indicate a willingness on the part of some to "take the bait", and begin to deliberately antagonize these protesters with the goal of inciting just the type of violence that occurred. It doesn't take a great leap of imagination to expect some people at future BLM demonstrations to show up armed- using this incident as justification.
That is pretty much a textbook example of things escalating, no?
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What I want to know is that this had been going on for several days, so why no police on hand to keep the groups separated and preserve the peace?
 
WildCat said:
What I want to know is that this had been going on for several days, so why no police on hand to keep the groups separated and preserve the peace?
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Because positioning law enforcement near a black lives matter rally would prove that law enforcement believes blacks are unable to prevent themselves from attacking people they disagree with, and that would be racist?
 
WildCat said:
What I want to know is that this had been going on for several days, so why no police on hand to keep the groups separated and preserve the peace?
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Seems a bit of a catch22.
More police presence would likely stress out the protesters and increase the likelihood of a violent confrontation with them, while less presence leaves open greater possibility for violent confrontation amongst the attendees. Reports I am reading already contain criticisms of the police reaction to the scene- some reports are that protesters were maced.
 
Minneapolis -- BLM protests because they want the video released.
Chicago - BLM protests because the video was just released. (Just disregard the fact that the officer has been charged with 1st-degree murder.)
 
A new video confirms what the BLM peaceful protesters said in a video posted earlier. The video was taken by one of the three "white supremacists" and has no audio.

You can skip forward to 3:00 to get to where the action starts. It shows the BLM peaceful protesters approaching and confronting the three men and then the person holding the camera gets hit. The shooting is not in this video.

The movement who cried Wolf.
 
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Wow, it is kind of like the Zimerman case, except of course the exact same people who then argued that there's absolutely nothing wrong with chasingpeople are now screaming that it's a massive threat that justifies immediate gunfire.

It's almost as if some folks will look for any excuse to justify a white guy shooting a black guy. No, wait, that's exactly what it is.
 
Mumbles said:
Wow, it is kind of like the Zimerman case, except of course the exact same people who then argued that there's absolutely nothing wrong with chasingpeople are now screaming that it's a massive threat that justifies immediate gunfire.

It's almost as if some folks will look for any excuse to justify a white guy shooting a black guy. No, wait, that's exactly what it is.
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Do you think that belief will result in a situation wherein BLM protesters find it prudent to attend these events armed?
 
Mumbles said:
Wow, it is kind of like the Zimerman case, except of course the exact same people who then argued that there's absolutely nothing wrong with chasingpeople are now screaming that it's a massive threat that justifies immediate gunfire.

It's almost as if some folks will look for any excuse to justify a white guy shooting a black guy. No, wait, that's exactly what it is.
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Almost as if:rolleyes:
 
Mumbles said:
Wow, it is kind of like the Zimerman case, except of course the exact same people who then argued that there's absolutely nothing wrong with chasingpeople
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I don't recall there being any evidence whatsoever of Zimmerman chasing Martin, do you have any evidence of that?

Also, Zimmerman was on the phone with police (and during the time you claim he was "chasing"), did BLM call the cops or did they chase them a full block away while throwing punches?

What is clear in this case, and not really disputed, is that BLM forced them out of a public place, chased them a full block away, and assaulted them before any shots were fired. They had no right to "escort" them from a public place, no right to assault them.

Now the police find themselves in a bind, all hell will break loose if they don't charge the shooters with something but the evidence indicates the shooting itself was justified. Maybe they charge them anyway and hope things die down before the inevitable acquittal. Or charge them with firearm violations if they find the gun was possessed illegally.

But now they've created a situation where BLM thinks they can just attack hecklers/counter protestors on sight, which is a bad precedent. Those who gave chase and assaulted should be charged, but then more feces will hit the fan. They are seemingly above the law at this point.
 
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I like the conflation of following and chasing. It's subtle and doesn't appear too desperate.
 
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