Is there anything Obama hasn't lied about?

Obama said he would negotiate a new Start nuclear weapons treaty. he did just that.

Obama said he would pass health care reform. he did just that.

Obama said he would pass banking and economic reform. he did just that.
 
Thunder said:
Obama said he would negotiate a new Start nuclear weapons treaty. he did just that.

Obama said he would pass health care reform. he did just that.

Obama said he would pass banking and economic reform. he did just that.
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He said he would get his girls a dog. He did just that.

(Plus a lot of important stuff like the above.)
 
ravdin said:
"Waterboarding is not torture" deserves special mention too, but I think that was a lie from the Bush administration rather than Bush himself.
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Hmmm....is it a lie if you believe what you are saying? I don't believe that the waterboarding procedure used by the US should be defined as torture. Does the US military really torture its own soldier trainees?
 
BeAChooser said:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_072610/content/01125107.guest.html
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What Rush and BAC won't tell you is the truth. Let's take a look. The pertinent part of the quote from the Australian is:
"The US government secretly advised Scottish ministers it would be 'far preferable' to free the Lockerbie bomber than jail him in Libya.
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What is missing is that the US govt actually preferred a third option, keepin him in prison in the UK. Note how that got deepsixed in this biased news coverage. Classic "false dichotomy" error.
 
Thunder said:
Obama did not lie about being born in Hawaii.
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Ah, but did he ever say he was born in Hawaii or did he let people assume that he was without directly confirming himself? Huh? *nudge nudge, wink wink*
 
For a critical thinking forum this board has WAY too much "I stopped reading when I read >insert name here< ... Limbaugh, Obama, Fox, MSNBC, etc."

Whatever happened to investigating claims dispassionately, honestly, and thoroughly?

I can understand prioritizing your time by frequenting more trustworthy sources of information ... but once a specific claim enters the public sphere, why put your head in the sand?
 
NoScotsman said:
For a critical thinking forum this board has WAY too much "I stopped reading when I read >insert name here< ... Limbaugh, Obama, Fox, MSNBC, etc."

Whatever happened to investigating claims dispassionately, honestly, and thoroughly?

I can understand prioritizing your time by frequenting more trustworthy sources of information ... but once a specific claim enters the public sphere, why put your head in the sand?
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You *have* been in the politics forum before, right? The place where critical thinking goes to die?

All that matters is that ones political ideology is correct.. other others are wrong! At all costs!
 
NoScotsman said:
For a critical thinking forum this board has WAY too much "I stopped reading when I read >insert name here< ... Limbaugh, Obama, Fox, MSNBC, etc."

Whatever happened to investigating claims dispassionately, honestly, and thoroughly?

I can understand prioritizing your time by frequenting more trustworthy sources of information ... but once a specific claim enters the public sphere, why put your head in the sand?
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I agree in principle but we all have limited time to actually investigate these sorts of claims to educate ourselves. After having spent waaay too much time investigating weird claims emanating from Newsbusters or the like I have learned to save my time. So many times things are taken out of context it boggles the mind.

I try not to dismiss too readily myself and will look up claims from more reputable sources that I generally disagree with (Fox comes to mind).
 
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Kegeshook said:
Hmmm....is it a lie if you believe what you are saying? I don't believe that the waterboarding procedure used by the US should be defined as torture. Does the US military really torture its own soldier trainees?
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Another one who's never heard of consent. This argument is ridiculous.
 
Considering this thread was at the top of the list when I checked, I shall continue my hiatus. farewell siblings in Politics, maybe in another two weeks.
 
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