Is there a legitimate reason to question the official narrative*?

[NoahFence]

If you want to say that I was recruited, at least you could get it right -- it happened on September 11th, 2011 and it was by the documentaries being played that day on T.V. -- network, History, Discovery channels IIRC. One of the documentaries, 102 Minutes That Changed America, had a whole bunch of footage I had never seen before and some of it looked odd to me. Curiosity lead to The Google. Never bought books from Gage, Griffin, Icke or Jones DVDs. So here I am.

Yea, 4 planes were hijacked and two of the tallest buildings in America collapsed within an hour of each other, murdering 3,000 people.

EVERYTHING on 9/11 looked odd to me as well.

 

[paloalto]

I hope you were called off the computer befire cutting to the chase and writing down the part where you "reconstructed the complete narrative of why the 9/11 attacks were allowed to happen", because I could not find that here.
I see a story of CIA and FBI working against and not with each other - which I kind of rememeber as one of the principal findings of the 9/11 Commission. Saudi Arabia isn't even mentioned.

Here is the full narrative:

From Post 609, on blog: "deliberate obstruction by the CIA of pre-9/11 investigations?"

Edited by LashL: 

Edited to link to the lengthy post in the other thread.

 

[beachnut]

Here is the full narrative:

...
These are the very simple facts now found in the official US government documents on the 9/11 attacks. You can’t wish these facts away, you can’t make up your own facts, and you can’t pretend this information does not exist. Almost 3000 people were brutally murdered on 9/11, and this information points directly at people at the CIA, people in the very highest levels of the Bush administration and to agents and managers at FBI HQ that had been corrupted by the CIA for intentionally, deliberately and knowingly allowing the attacks on 9/11 to take place.

Hard to mess up the conclusion this bad, unless you were politically motivated... The sad part is you have no clue you made up the conclusion.

BS, and SPAM, and no Pulitzer? Is there not a Pulitzer for "persistent repeated posting of failed conclusions based on SPAM"?

 

[paloalto]

Hard to mess up the conclusion this bad, unless you were politically motivated... The sad part is you have no clue you made up the conclusion.

BS, and SPAM, and no Pulitzer? Is there not a Pulitzer for "persistent repeated posting of failed conclusions based on SPAM"?

Yet another incomprehensible post. Unfortunately my information is all sourced right from official US government documents, your post is just pure crap from someone who is either totally ignorant of the facts or just trying to justify the murder of almost 3000 innocent people on 9/11 by hiding or deliberately ignoring the actual facts with respect to the information that was available prior to the attacks on 9/11.

WHICH IS IT?

 

[beachnut]

Yet another incomprehensible post. Unfortunately my information is all sourced right from official US government documents, your post is just pure crap from someone who is either totally ignorant of the facts or just trying to justify the murder of almost 3000 innocent people on 9/11 by hiding or deliberately ignoring the actual facts with respect to the information that was available prior to the attacks on 9/11.

WHICH IS IT?

Yes, you SPAM threads with cut and paste junk, then make up a silly conclusion, which is not supported by your SPAM. IF you don't understand my post, it makes sense you make up fake conclusions.

Let me SPAM it back to you.

Your conclusion is a fantasy you made up based on the SPAM you keep posting. You post the same junk, and then make up a fake conclusions.

Maybe if I try again.
My post was clear, you SPAM threads with cut and paste, them make up a fake conclusion, which is at best an opinion you have.

If it is not clear, I suspect the comprehension to conclusion logic you use to form your faulty conclusions is a problem.

Your conclusion would merit a Pulitzer Prize, but your SPAM/cut and paste attacks don't support it.

 

[NoahFence]

Yet another incomprehensible post. Unfortunately my information is all sourced right from official US government documents, your post is just pure crap from someone who is either totally ignorant of the facts or just trying to justify the murder of almost 3000 innocent people on 9/11 by hiding or deliberately ignoring the actual facts with respect to the information that was available prior to the attacks on 9/11.

WHICH IS IT?

You really think the first thing the people in the Bush administration upon taking office is plan and execute 9/11?

 

[JayUtah]

Yet another incomprehensible post. Unfortunately my information is all sourced right from official US government documents, your post is just pure crap from someone who is either totally ignorant of the facts or just trying to justify the murder of almost 3000 innocent people on 9/11 by hiding or deliberately ignoring the actual facts with respect to the information that was available prior to the attacks on 9/11.

WHICH IS IT?

So why haven't you collected your Pulitzer Prize yet?

 

[jaydeehess]

So why haven't you collected your Pulitzer Prize yet?

They are keeping him from being considered. Only possible explanation.

 

[Oystein]

Here is the full narrative:

From Post 609, on blog: "deliberate obstruction by the CIA of pre-9/11 investigations?"

Primarily, from the DOJ IG report, Lawrence Wright's book, Looming Tower, and the Defense Exhibits entered into the Moussaoui trial, we know that:
...

...my information is all sourced right from official US government documents...

That's a cool story - and I don't mean that sarcastically!
I have a problem now: This long summary is hidden in post 609 of a tumultous thread. You say you have the sources, but they are not linked to in that post. I am sure you have variously linked to various sources in various posts, but that makes a very unstructured read.

Do you have a blog, a PDF, some other web resource that you have complete control overm that tells the story in a structured manner, with abstract/summary, table of content, side stories layed out in seperate chapters, and of course all claims of fact footnoted, with a complete bibliography?

If not, start now, and don't waste your energy on the sceptic incredulous Thomas's here.

 

[beachnut]

...
If not, start now, and don't waste your energy on the sceptic incredulous Thomas's here.

Yes, he has the Pulitzer wrapped up.

...
Without all of this information, no one could have reconstructed the complete narrative of why the 9/11 attacks were allowed to happen.

... Bush administration and to agents and managers at FBI HQ that had been corrupted by the CIA for intentionally, deliberately and knowingly allowing the attacks on 9/11 to take place.

He has exposed the truth, he needs some help getting the Pulitzer. Can you help him get it ?

 

[Oystein]

Yes, he has the Pulitzer wrapped up.

He has exposed the truth, he needs some help getting the Pulitzer. Can you help him get it ?

I am not so sure about Pulitzer.
But a good book has a market.
I mean, there are millions of truthers, not?

Funny thing is: The 28-pagers / LIHOPists are the MIHOPists/Gageians worst enemies!

Look what I found: "The Walls Are Crumbling Down Around the “Official 9/11 Story” – Why?"

This fine article first shows a video with
- OBL on dialysis in a cave
- most heavily defended air space
- military-combat trained airline pilots
- Hanjour couldn't fly a Cessna
- Planes off-course for over an hour
- Hijackers used alk, cocaine and strippers
- 2.3 trillion dollars lost in Pentagon
all that within the first minute

Then Richard Gage on C-SPAN

Then Russia Today with Operation Northwoods

THEN Bob Graham and his 28 redacted pages on Saudi involvement.

Then Vladimir Putin saying that 9/11 was an inside job.

And THEN, the author tells us his "Most Logical Theory": "our theory on what Congress is about to release about 9/11 will show a mostly fake Saudi Arabia connection, with a few fall guys in the Bush administration, orchestrated as a semi-”inside job” that will so infuriate and obsess the US populace that any evidence Putin releases will be lost in the noise as the US begins to go on war footing against Saudi Arabia, creating another war and further distracting the public and furthering the tentacles of the US empire in the Middle East. Check." and concludes "No matter what happens there is going to be a definite period of chaos and uncomfortableness … to put it lightly. Even in the most optimistic scenario there will be chaos, especially in the US, as the US empire collapses, the dollar collapses and the world begins to pick up the pieces while tens of millions of brainwashed slaves, full of mind-altering pharmaceuticals and completely dependent on the government for survival, roam the streets like zombies. In the most pessimistic, well, let’s not even go there." Recommendation: "Shorting the dollar by going long precious metals and bitcoin would be the play."

ROFL.

 

[Jango]

Indeed.

 

[Jango]

You aren't making your point very clear. Did the CIA warn them 40+ times about OBL and Al Qaeda in general or did they warn them 40+ times about planes being flown into buildings? Only the latter is relevant. Also, what's your source?

OBL and al Qaeda in general, of course, but there are instances where hijackings were mentioned, namely, the 8/6/01 PDB. And my source is the 9/11 Commission Report -- chapter eight, first page, third paragraph.

I don't think it is clear that they considered it a likely possibility. How many threats have they been briefed on that haven't materialized? You make it sound as if they knew with certainty that planes were going to be hijacked and flown into buildings.

The amount of threats and attacks against U.S. interests on a daily basis is humbling. I get that volume is an issue, but that volume issue becomes less important once the knowledge that terrorist sleeper cells are inside the U.S. Sleeper cells of one shape or another has been on U.S. counterintelligence's radar since its inception. I mean, U.S. counterintelligence went toe-to-toe with the Soviet Union for 40+ years. Sure, battles were lost, but the war was won. The theory that the 19 hijackers simply walked in, went about their business, received flight training and then carried out the attacks without U.S. counterintelligence being none the wiser is just not going to happen.

The fact that they didn't go all out and "move mountains" to stop one particular threat out of many potential ones doesn't strike me as suspicious.

It should. The U.S. IC "moved mountains" before the Millennium to stop attacks against the CONUS. There was no shaking of the trees, turning the heat up on informants, going after surveilled people.

Now, it's possible some in the administration had it in the back of their mind that 'if a terrorist attack happens it would open up some exciting opportunities for overseas adventures, so maybe I won't bust my balls quite so hard to try to stop one'. But this can only be speculated on. It's not in evidence.

The ulterior motives, perhaps, but the "I won't bust my balls" is certainly there to be seen.

I thought I'd made it clear that I don't give them the benefit of the doubt and that my conclusions are based on the evidence.

Words are easy to put into motion.

I don't believe the religious or evil doer talk for a second. I think you're mistaking the crap he fed to the public with his actual beliefs. He was a rational, intelligent, immoral man in my view.

Is it a gut feeling that President George W. Bush was a phony religious person who didn't allow religious views to guide his actions?

 

[HotRodDeluxe]

I am not so sure about Pulitzer.
But a good book has a market.
I mean, there are millions of truthers, not?

Funny thing is: The 28-pagers / LIHOPists are the MIHOPists/Gageians worst enemies!

Look what I found: "The Walls Are Crumbling Down Around the “Official 9/11 Story” – Why?"

This fine article first shows a video with
- OBL on dialysis in a cave
- most heavily defended air space
- military-combat trained airline pilots
- Hanjour couldn't fly a Cessna
- Planes off-course for over an hour
- Hijackers used alk, cocaine and strippers
- 2.3 trillion dollars lost in Pentagon
all that within the first minute

Then Richard Gage on C-SPAN

Then Russia Today with Operation Northwoods

THEN Bob Graham and his 28 redacted pages on Saudi involvement.

Then Vladimir Putin saying that 9/11 was an inside job.

And THEN, the author tells us his "Most Logical Theory": "our theory on what Congress is about to release about 9/11 will show a mostly fake Saudi Arabia connection, with a few fall guys in the Bush administration, orchestrated as a semi-”inside job” that will so infuriate and obsess the US populace that any evidence Putin releases will be lost in the noise as the US begins to go on war footing against Saudi Arabia, creating another war and further distracting the public and furthering the tentacles of the US empire in the Middle East. Check." and concludes "No matter what happens there is going to be a definite period of chaos and uncomfortableness … to put it lightly. Even in the most optimistic scenario there will be chaos, especially in the US, as the US empire collapses, the dollar collapses and the world begins to pick up the pieces while tens of millions of brainwashed slaves, full of mind-altering pharmaceuticals and completely dependent on the government for survival, roam the streets like zombies. In the most pessimistic, well, let’s not even go there." Recommendation: "Shorting the dollar by going long precious metals and bitcoin would be the play."

ROFL.

It burns....

 

[Meed]

OBL and al Qaeda in general, of course, but there are instances where hijackings were mentioned, namely, the 8/6/01 PDB. And my source is the 9/11 Commission Report -- chapter eight, first page, third paragraph.

The amount of threats and attacks against U.S. interests on a daily basis is humbling. I get that volume is an issue, but that volume issue becomes less important once the knowledge that terrorist sleeper cells are inside the U.S. Sleeper cells of one shape or another has been on U.S. counterintelligence's radar since its inception. I mean, U.S. counterintelligence went toe-to-toe with the Soviet Union for 40+ years. Sure, battles were lost, but the war was won. The theory that the 19 hijackers simply walked in, went about their business, received flight training and then carried out the attacks without U.S. counterintelligence being none the wiser is just not going to happen.

Doesn't seem implausible to me.

What's your explanation / narrative of events?

It should. The U.S. IC "moved mountains" before the Millennium to stop attacks against the CONUS.

How so?

Is it a gut feeling that President George W. Bush was a phony religious person who didn't allow religious views to guide his actions?

No. He may or may not have been sincerely religious, but his foreign policy had nothing to do with religion or fighting evil as far as I can tell. Where am I wrong?

 

[sylvan8798]

If you want to say that I was recruited, at least you could get it right -- it happened on September 11th, 2011 and it was by the documentaries being played that day on T.V. -- network, History, Discovery channels IIRC. One of the documentaries, 102 Minutes That Changed America, had a whole bunch of footage I had never seen before and some of it looked odd to me. Curiosity lead to The Google. Never bought books from Gage, Griffin, Icke or Jones DVDs. So here I am.

In what ways?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

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Is it a gut feeling that President George W. Bush was a phony religious person who didn't allow religious views to guide his actions?

Yes, until citations are provided proving this assertion the statement above is "gut feelings" or "unsupported speculation."

I have my own unsupported speculation roughly 180 degrees from yours. I call it the Group W Bench theory. Bush was a little boy in a room full of grownups for at least a year after 9/11, and nearly all of "his" foreign policy decisions made by Darth Cheney and the Cthulhu worshipping neocons who infested his entire cabinet.

So which "gut feelings" are more valid? The ones requiring a massive conspiracy of evil geniuses who somehow make massive mistakes any tweeniebopper on the interwebz can suss out by "reading between the lines?" Or the ones requiring the usual processes and procedures of the Executive Branch be driven by a small cohort of misguided jerks with a fool to stand in front of them for distraction?

 

[NoahFence]

In what ways?

good luck.

just another in a long line of cowards that won't answer simple questions.

 

[Oystein]

good luck.

just another in a long line of cowards that won't answer simple questions.

Don't attribute to cowardice that which can adequately be explained by confusion and being overwhelmed

 

[Jango]

In what ways?

Just the way things happened, I suppose. Like the way the Twin Towers looked when they collapsed (add WTC #7 to that too, although I didn't know about that building's collapse until late 2011) and that Orio Palmer (a marathon running firefighter who reached the impact zone of the South Tower) called over the radio that he needed two lines to fight a few pockets of fire maybe a minute or so before the building collapsed.