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Is the Qu'ran from the true God?

Dear SezMe and Fellow Forumers,

SezMe said:
Two questions: As someone else asked up-thread, could you post one of those recordings...or at least a part of it? If not, why not?

"our sessions"? Who else is involved?
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I would love to post the recordings on the Internet but I do not know how. I was told that I can connect my tape recorder to the PC and the recording will be put in an MP3 file, but a software is needed to do this. I don't have that software. Could you please tell me how it is done and the software I need and where I can obtain it?

Meantime, you may read the transcriptions from my website. Rest assured that they were my translation to English from the original Pilipino text of these transcriptions. Most likely, the Pilipino text is already uploaded.

There are other people present during these sessions. They are held on Sundays during the day. There may be two or three sessions, each session lasting from 20 minutes up to 45 minutes, sometimes, even up to an hour. You may read my postings in alt.religion.christian, one of which is regarding Mary Magdalene posted sometime in May 2006. Please notice the six people who participated in the questioning: Alvara Cabalda, Anita Perez, Manuel de la Cruz, Raymond Bautista, Crescencia Dalangin, and myself. I am just one of the listeners. I may list down the other people who regularly attend the sessions, if you wish.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Dear Zep and Fellow Forumers,



I do not know the story about Muhammad's ascension to heaven. Was there really a flying horse that took him to heaven? What time did the ascension happen? Were there witnesses?

For forty days after the resurrection of Jesus from His three-days-and-three-nights burial in the tomb, His disciples saw Him alive and He spoke about the kingdom of God. The story of the ascension of Jesus is stated in Act 1 of the Holy Bible. On the day of His ascension, He commanded them not to depart from Jersualem, but to wait for the promise of their baptism with the Holy Spirit. After He had spoken, "while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, 'Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.'" (Holy Bible, New King James, Acts 1:9-11)

When Jesus ascended to Heaven, there were witnesses and it was during daytime. He floated up towards Heaven until a cloud received Him and He became out of sight. Please compare this with that of Muhammad's.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
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How exactly is it logical for you to make a judgement call on the truth of the Quran when you obviously know nothing about it? Seems to me that's like never using linux because you've always used windows, then saying windows is the one true operating system.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Did you know that I bought a second hand economy car for use in commuting to work about six months ago? Did you know that it is a Toyota Echo? Did you know that its registration plate number is 462 IDE? Did you know that IDE, I realized later, stands for "I Thee Echo"?
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Well, if you had said it was 432 and not 462, i would have said you were on to something.
 
Dear Foster Zygote and Fellow Forumers,

Foster Zygote said:
I, and most others here, have no trouble applying skepticism to the Koran. But we also apply the same skepticism to the Bible, and any other "divinely inspired" religious text.
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I appreciate your skepticism. As the saying goes, "Doubt first before you believe."

I am glad that I came to know this forum, for you, as intellectual skeptics, can scrutinize my experience with the Holy Spirit. I will not bluff you to find a way out. I will tell you truthfully what my experiences are with the Holy Spirit and it is up to you to evaluate these experiences.

I have raised a question at the JREF Challenge. You may read it, if you are interested. Actually, I have written the woman in the Philippines who is appropriated by the Holy Spirit in communicating with the people about two weeks ago. I have not received a reply yet from the woman or from her household or from any of the listeners of the Holy Spirit, either through email or through snail mail.

I have requested that the spirit undergo a test to be conducted by JREF. I suggested that 25 items are put inside a box and seal it. Then ask the spirit what the box contains. I said, success means naming ALL 25 items correctly, and any thing wrong is a failure. I am still waiting for the reply of the spirit.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
 
Dear Fowlsound and Fellow Forumers,

fowlsound said:
How exactly is it logical for you to make a judgement call on the truth of the Quran when you obviously know nothing about it? Seems to me that's like never using linux because you've always used windows, then saying windows is the one true operating system.
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What I put in the original post is what I learned from reading religious books, including, of course, the Holy Bible, where I quoted it appropriately. How do you think will I know those things if I did not do my readings?

I can tell you that I am not an expert of Christianity or even the Holy Bible. That is why I read, and discuss and learn from Internet forums like this. I do not know the Qu'ran well but I read about it, like the three English translations of the book in Christian Apologetics website.

If you know about the Qu'ran well, then answer my questions raised in the original post. I am just asking. I do not know much. The Holy Spirit told us, "Asking questions is a way to learning." If I will not raise my questions, I may remain an ignoramus.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Dear Fowlsound and Fellow Forumers,



What I put in the original post is what I learned from reading religious books, including, of course, the Holy Bible, where I quoted it appropriately. How do you think will I know those things if I did not do my readings?

I can tell you that I am not an expert of Christianity or even the Holy Bible. That is why I read, and discuss and learn from Internet forums like this. I do not know the Qu'ran well but I read about it, like the three English translations of the book in Christian Apologetics website.

If you know about the Qu'ran well, then answer my questions raised in the original post. I am just asking. I do not know much. The Holy Spirit told us, "Asking questions is a way to learning." If I will not raise my questions, I may remain an ignoramus.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
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Ah I see. "Just asking questions." Perhaps then, if you are truly out for answers you could buy yourself a copy of the Quran and read it, instead of having us do your thinking for you.
 
Dear Bjorn Toulouse and Fellow Forumers,

Björn Toulouse said:
Well, if you had said it was 432 and not 462, i would have said you were on to something.
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I wish I would know what 462 means in the Toyota Echo car registration plate number 462 IDE. I also wish to know what 240 means in the other car registration plate number 240 ICD.

At least, I now know that the number 888 is the number of Jesus. You may check the Internet or read my website about it. I discovered that in 1994.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
 
PeaceCrusader said:
I know that God is known by different names. Allah may be the Arabic word for ‘God’ but is he the same Lord God of the Bible? Again, I ask, without any holy scripture, just plain logic, how do you consider a god as god? How can you differentiate the true God from the false gods?
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What I meant is that the word 'Allah' is used in Arabic as the word 'God' is in English. That is, Christians and Jews speaking Arabic say they believe in 'Allah', and even people of other religions with no connection to Islam, Judaism or Christianity may say they believe in 'Allah', because it simply means 'God' and can refer to any God, just like the word 'God' can in English. When you say 'Allah', speaking English, I know you refer to the God of Islam, I'm just saying we should be careful with the term.

As for differentiating between false and true Gods without a holy scripture, I suppose you would have to trust your gut feeling or just be consistent and dismiss them all as false, as pointed out by other posters. You can also choose to dismiss those scriptures who appear inconsistant, but since many claim that would include the Holy Bible, I suppose it is not your preferred method.

You claim that the Qu’ran has not been changed through the ages. That may be true. Still in the original Arabic text I suppose after about 1600 years. But does that justify that it is from the true God? I am asking: why did the Lord God not reveal the Qu’ran directly to Muhammad? Why through an angel? Are you sure that that angel is angel Gabriel?

I have mentioned that to all the great prophets or messengers of God that the Muslims recognize, the Lord God talked directly to them, except to Muhammad. Why?
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The relative well-keptness of the Qu'ran is not proof it is from the true God, no. I did not know you wanted proof and I can not provide you with it.

Why did the Lord not reveal the Qu'ran directly to Muhammad, but through an angel? You might as well ask yourself why He (according to both the Qu'ran and the Holy Bible) did not reveal directly to Mary she was going to give birth to Jesus Christ, but sent the very same angel to deliver the message. She may not have been what you would call a prophet, but the message was important all the same. So why send Gabriel?

Islam quite clearly teaches that the angel Gabriel was the one who delivered the Qu'ran to Muhammad and the one who delivered the message of Christs' birth to Mary. I know there has been some controversy between Christians and Muslims regarding the scripture upon which this faith is based, but I have not heard of any Muslims questioning the identity of the angel.

The Holy Bible may have “been edited and translated several times since it was first written” but does that mean that it is not from the Lord God? That is why the spirit we talk to recommended that we use the King James Version because it is, according to Him, nearer the truth.
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According to Islam, the Holy Bible is indeed from the Lord God. But the belief that the King James version would be correct, free from the flaws from the edits and translations, is not one that Muslims share. In fact, not even all Christians share it.

Zep said:
I'd like to see this flying horse that Mohammed ascended into heaven on. It would make a great marketing logo!
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The being is called the buraq and is not by definition a horse. Googling for "buraq" will give you a few pictures, but be careful not to get into any copyright issues with Buraq Air if you make a logo. ;)

PeaceCrusader said:
When Jesus ascended to Heaven, there were witnesses and it was during daytime. He floated up towards Heaven until a cloud received Him and He became out of sight. Please compare this with that of Muhammad's.
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Muhammad's ascent was different, and it has been suggested by some muslims that it was a spiritual journey only.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Dear SezMe and Fellow Forumers,



I am just an echo, a sounding board, one who repeats or passes on what I heard from the Holy Spirit. The words of the Holy Spirit--His sermons, messages, prayers, proverbs, prophecies, poems--that you find in my website are His and not mine. I do not have that talent or ability to compose or say such things. They came from transcriptions of tape recordings of our sessions with the Holy Spirit.

I do not force anyone to believe in what I believe in. People may pick up from the Holy Spirit's messages what they think is good for them and discard or ignore anything evil, if any. I am not responsible for the salvation of one's soul. It is his. I am just sharing the good food that I tasted from the Holy Spirit. What He told us, "Food that is delicious should not be kept to oneself. Share it."

Did you know that I bought a second hand economy car for use in commuting to work about six months ago? Did you know that it is a Toyota Echo? Did you know that its registration plate number is 462 IDE? Did you know that IDE, I realized later, stands for "I Thee Echo"? Did you know that prior to this car, the registration number that I got for our previous family car was 240 ICD? Did you know that ICD stands for the equivalent text message "I see Thee"? Did you know that ICD also stands for the Latin "Iesus Christus Deus" or "Jesus Christ God"? Coincidences? There are plenty of "coincidences" in my life.

After I found out the significance of Echo, I included it with my signature of Peace Crusader as what you quoted. Because that is what I am--just an Echo of the Holy Spirit.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
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Did you know there are people - we call them psychiatrists - who can help you through this troubled time in your life! Just buck up, go see one for a few years and you'll be right as rain and no longer all wet!
 
PeaceCrusader said:
I would love to post the recordings on the Internet but I do not know how.
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How pathetic an excuse is that?

PeaceCrusader said:
Could you please tell me how it is done and the software I need and where I can obtain it?
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No, do your own homework. Ask a computer literate friend of yours. Read your help files or do some googling. Whatever - it will take no more than a half-hour to get up to speed. That's less time than you've spent posting here.

PeaceCrusader said:
Meantime, you may read the transcriptions from my website. Rest assured that they were my translation to English from the original Pilipino text of these transcriptions. Most likely, the Pilipino text is already uploaded.
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God speaks Pilipino? Neat. Is the voice male or female?
 
fuelair said:
Did you know there are people - we call them psychiatrists - who can help you through this troubled time in your life! Just buck up, go see one for a few years and you'll be right as rain and no longer all wet!
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That's easy for you to say, but what about the people that need the eggs? This guy discovered the number of Jesus back in 1994, he must have followers by now. That's gotta be a serious number, after all. 888 - the Chinese were right all along! It prompts one to reappraise one's whole world-view.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Dear SezMe and Fellow Forumers,

I am just an echo, a sounding board, one who repeats or passes on what I heard from the Holy Spirit.
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After I found out the significance of Echo, I included it with my signature of Peace Crusader as what you quoted. Because that is what I am--just an Echo of the Holy Spirit.

Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
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I prefer to picture Echo as the gorgeous, nubile, hottie clad in sheer, diaphanous gowns. Narcissus, who scorned her, was doubtless enamored of a goat, the cad!

If you are not said hottie, we'll pine as the nymphs did over Narcissus at his death.

Echo fell in love with Narcissus, who spurned her love, and she, because of her grief, faded away with the exception of her voice. Echo, they say, disappeared from woods and mountains so completely that not even her bones remained, which were turned into stone, yet she mourned him

However, it has also been said that when the NYMPHS grieved Narcissus, among them there was also Echo, and that when they prepared his funeral pyre, they could not find his body, and in its place they found the flower, which today bears his name.
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http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Echo.html

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
I prefer to picture Echo as the gorgeous, nubile, hottie clad in sheer, diaphanous gowns. Narcissus, who scorned her, was doubtless enamored of a goat, the cad!
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I think you'll find that Narcissus was excessively enamoured of himself, and spent all his time staring at his reflection in a pond. This is where we get the name of the personality trait narcissism. IIRC, he was turned into a flower called, strangely enough, the narcissus.
 
Dear Darth Rotor and Fellow Forumers,

Darth Rotor said:
I prefer to picture Echo as the gorgeous, nubile, hottie clad in sheer, diaphanous gowns. Narcissus, who scorned her, was doubtless enamored of a goat, the cad!

If you are not said hottie, we'll pine as the nymphs did over Narcissus at his death.

http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Echo.html

DR
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Echo fell in love with Narcissus, who spurned her love, and she, because of her grief, faded away with the exception of her voice. Echo, they say, disappeared from woods and mountains so completely that not even her bones remained, which were turned into stone, yet she mourned him
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Thanks a lot for the information. I did not know that Echo was in Greek mythology.

Is that story of Echo how the English word "echo" was derived?

Would you believe that Greek mythology personalities have come into my life? Artemis is the main software that I used in computer programming. Apollo is the brand of Holden car maker that we bought in 1994 (still being used) as the family car. It is the re-badged Toyota Camry, may be the model Spirit. And now, Echo, another Greek character.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
 
Darth Rotor said:
Evidence of this claim would be of interest.

DR
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2132449#post2132449

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=97917#post97917

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=940141#post940141

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=574263#post574263

Not much because since the Forum started neither the book or its teachings has been brought up that much as a discussion topic. We've indeed only ever had a few "self confessed" Muslims as Members that I can recall.
 
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