• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Is the Louisiana flooding Obama's Katrina?

sunmaster14

Penultimate Amazing
S
Joined
Feb 24, 2014
Messages
10,017
It strikes me as a rather under reported story, but the Red Cross has declared the Louisiana flooding to be the worst US natural disaster since Hurricane Sandy four years ago.

Obama is finally being criticized for seeming rather aloof and unconcerned about the disaster. Will he be criticized to anywhere near the degree that Bush was for Katrina? Of course not. Will he take any political hit whatsoever? I'm doubtful. The mainstream media still seems to think its main job is to insulate him from anything that could make him look bad.
 
sunmaster14 said:
It strikes me as a rather under reported story, but the Red Cross has declared the Louisiana flooding to be the worst US natural disaster since Hurricane Sandy four years ago.

Obama is finally being criticized for seeming rather aloof and unconcerned about the disaster. Will he be criticized to anywhere near the degree that Bush was for Katrina? Of course not. Will he take any political hit whatsoever? I'm doubtful. The mainstream media still seems to think its main job is to insulate him from anything that could make him look bad.
Click to expand...

The answer to your question is "No.".
 
I really don't know the answer to this - but has the federal government response to the problem been lacking in the same sort of significant way that it was during Katrina? The only data point I have is an interview I heard with the leader of one of the parishes that is heavily impacted, and he was saying he was very pleased FEMA.

Basic summary from the interview: The damage is really bad, it's going to get worse, a lot of people are not going to see the same sort of payments people saw from Katrina because the rules have changed since then, which is going to be really bad for the people that don't have flood insurance. But as far as dealing the immediate emergency, state and federal agencies are doing as good of a job as could be asked for.
 
Last edited:
A'isha said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...k-things-was-the-most-obamas-katrinas-moment/
Click to expand...

I like this bit.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/obama-hurricane-katrina_n_3790612.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

"A large number of Louisiana Republicans think President Barack Obama is to blame for the federal government's poor response to Hurricane Katrina, according to a new Public Policy Polling survey released Wednesday -- despite the fact that the storm occurred three years before he took office."
Click to expand...
 
sunmaster14 said:
It strikes me as a rather under reported story, but the Red Cross has declared the Louisiana flooding to be the worst US natural disaster since Hurricane Sandy four years ago.

Obama is finally being criticized for seeming rather aloof and unconcerned about the disaster. Will he be criticized to anywhere near the degree that Bush was for Katrina? Of course not. Will he take any political hit whatsoever? I'm doubtful. The mainstream media still seems to think its main job is to insulate him from anything that could make him look bad.
Click to expand...

You seem to be having trouble understanding or recalling what the issues of Heck-of-a-job-Brownie-Katrina were.

1,000+ people died because no help came, cops shot at people trying to get across a bridge to safety, the failure of the levy was predictable and could have been fixed beforehand, Bush sent in BlackWater security who also acted with impunity....

Why would you think "worst disaster" was the variable that made Bush's Katrina a personal failure as POTUS?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You seem to be having trouble understanding or recalling what the issues of Heck-of-a-job-Brownie-Katrina were.

1,000+ people died because no help came, cops shot at people trying to get across a bridge to safety, the failure of the levy was predictable and could have been fixed beforehand, Bush sent in BlackWater security who also acted with impunity....

Why would you think "worst disaster" was the variable that made Bush's Katrina a personal failure as POTUS?
Click to expand...

This is utterly false. By the way, the failure of the levee was not expected. Overtopping was expected, but not a breach of the levee.
 
Last edited:
A'isha said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...k-things-was-the-most-obamas-katrinas-moment/
Click to expand...

I think the parallels are a little more striking than any of the others. The damage is almost exactly the same as with Katrina. It's mostly impoverished people in Louisiana who are affected. Tens of thousands of homes flooded. Thousands of people being rescued from rooftops and stranded cars. The difference is that it's not primarily the US Coast Guard and US Navy doing the rescuing. Oh, and also the President has played six rounds of golf since it started.
 
It helps that the Louisiana national guard isn't off playing where's Waldo in Iraq, so they're actually deployed doing their state mission.
 
sunmaster14 said:
This is utterly false. By the way, the failure of the levy was not expected. Overtopping was expected, but not a breach of the levy.
Click to expand...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10995817/...ck/t/levee-problems-predicted-documents-show/

The Homeland Security Department was warned a day before Hurricane Katrina hit that the storm’s surge could breach levees and leave New Orleans flooded for weeks or months, documents released Monday show.

An Aug. 28 report by the department’s National Infrastructure Simulation and Analysis Center concluded that a Category 4 or 5 hurricane would cause severe damage in the city, including power outages and a direct economic hit of up to $10 billion for the first week.

“Overall, the impacts described herein are conservative,” stated the report, which was sent to Homeland Security’s office for infrastructure protection.

“Any storm rated Category 4 or greater ... will likely lead to severe flooding and/or levee breaching, leaving the New Orleans metro area submerged for weeks or months,” said the report, which was released by a Senate panel examining the government’s breakdown in responding to Katrina.

The documents are the latest indication that the federal government knew beforehand of the catastrophic damage that a storm of Katrina’s magnitude could cause.

[...]

Shortly after the disaster, President Bush said, “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees.” He later clarified his remarks, saying his comment was meant to suggest that there had been a false sense of relief that the levees had held when the storm passed, only to break a few hours later.
Click to expand...
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
It helps that the Louisiana national guard isn't off playing where's Waldo in Iraq, so they're actually deployed doing their state mission.
Click to expand...

Add in the fact that we saw Katrina on it's path.

I'm pretty sure no one really expected 2 days of extremely heavy rainfall and flooding. It's pretty bad there, but the authorities seem to be on the ball.

What are we to expect President Obama to do? Personally extract people out of the waters, and generally be in the way?
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
It helps that the Louisiana national guard isn't off playing where's Waldo in Iraq, so they're actually deployed doing their state mission.
Click to expand...

That's a good point. Do you see nothing to criticize in how Obama's handling it then? Do you think the media would have been riding a Republican President if he had showed the same amount of concern?
 
sunmaster14 said:
I think the parallels are a little more striking than any of the others. The damage is almost exactly the same as with Katrina. It's mostly impoverished people in Louisiana who are affected. Tens of thousands of homes flooded. Thousands of people being rescued from rooftops and stranded cars. The difference is that it's not primarily the US Coast Guard and US Navy doing the rescuing. Oh, and also the President has played six rounds of golf since it started.
Click to expand...

It's the Cajun Navy.

Where is it that you get the information on how many rounds of golf he's played since the flooding started?

I'm trying to determine if it's impressive research, or pulled out of your ass.
 
Shalamar said:
Add in the fact that we saw Katrina on it's path.

I'm pretty sure no one really expected 2 days of extremely heavy rainfall and flooding. It's pretty bad there, but the authorities seem to be on the ball.

What are we to expect President Obama to do? Personally extract people out of the waters, and generally be in the way?
Click to expand...

True, but did you feel the same way about President Bush during Katrina?
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
It helps that the Louisiana national guard isn't off playing where's Waldo in Iraq, so they're actually deployed doing their state mission.
Click to expand...

^^^


If only we had some indication from Louisiana's government on how its going:

“We are thankful for the federal government’s quick response to our request for an emergency declaration. This is an ongoing event, and we are confident that every available state and federal resource will be brought to bear. I fully expect that more parishes will be added to the declaration on a rolling basis.”
Click to expand...

LOL!! I'm beginning to wonder how many of the 5 senses ODS sufferers have are affected by their affliction.
 
sunmaster14 said:
True, but did you feel the same way about President Bush during Katrina?
Click to expand...

The only criticism I had was the apparant FEMA screw up, and then the 'You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie'.

I'm not hearing those stories this time around. Yes, It's horrible, a handful of people have died, but the authorities appear to have things under control.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom