Is The ' Lords Supper ' a cannibalistic ritual?

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Seems that way to me..

At least for the Catholic Church.

Pope Paul II reaffirms value of cannibalistic ritual..

Ecclesia de Eucharistia

. The Eucharist is a true banquet, in which Christ offers himself as our nourishment. When for the first time Jesus spoke of this food, his listeners were astonished and bewildered, which forced the Master to emphasize the objective truth of his words: "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life within you" (Jn 6:53). This is no metaphorical food: "My flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed" (Jn 6:55).
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Wouldn't a Chardonay be better with that fillet of Christ?

I realize that many Christians denominations do not suggest that the communion wine and bread are actually transformed into the body and blood of Christ.


Imagine the fuss that would be made if group of pagans or Devil worshipers made it well known that they frequently (weekly ) participated in a ritual where they consumed what they believed to be the blood and flesh of a human being.
 
Though it may seem a moot point, I think there is a difference between a "cannibalistic ritual" and "ritual cannibalism".

A cannibalistic ritual would be a ritual that involved real cannibalism, but in "ritual cannibalism", only the notion of cannibalism is performed. These days, we would probably call it "virtual cannibalism".

But as I recall, one of the fundamental debates in Christianity is whether the wine and bread symbolize Christ's blood and body, or whether they actually become the blood and body (transubstantiation). There has been at least one war fought over this question.

If transubstantiation is true, then it is real cannibalism. It's also magic.
 
This one got me into real trouble at Sunday School, what with the Roman Catholic belief that at the moment the priest asks for God's blessing on the communion wine and wafers, it is transformed into the actual body and blood of Christ. And the whole thing about Christ being a lamb which is sacrificed. I know now that it was a device to make christianity more attractive to the godless cannibal heathens. So anyway, what with being a vegetarian, I no longer take holy communion when I attend mass...

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Tricky said:
Though it may seem a moot point, I think there is a difference between a "cannibalistic ritual" and "ritual cannibalism".
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For sure..

In one, you are pretending..

How do you think parents ( in general) in our western culture would feel about their children ' pretending' to drink the blood and eat the flesh of their playmates.
What is an average age for young Catholics to celebrate their first Communion?

Fornication = mortal sin

Thigh sandwich, glass of blood = oh, whatever


( Yes, I know I am being ridiculous. But I am trying to point out how we accept or ignore certain behaviour, that is wrapped in religious tradition, that would otherwise be unacceptable. )
 
Diogenes said:

Pope Paul II reaffirms value of cannibalistic ritual..
Ecclesia de Eucharistia
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Symbolically, yes. The ritual of Communion is symbolic act of cannibalism. But, you would be foolish to believe that the Catholic Church condones cannibalism.
 
Diogenes said:

What is an average age for young Catholics to celebrate their first Communion?
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About 6 years. You have a First Communion Breakfast, but at least they don't transubstantiate that... *eeyew, what a thought*
 
I was walking down a street recently when I walked past a church. They had a sculpture of Jesus hanging on the cross on the side of the building. The artist rendered Jesus looking very malnourished. He also looked very dead from a distance. I found this strange. Imagine from an unbiased anthropological view, how strange it must be that people hang a statue of a dead man on the side of a building.
 
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Socrates said:


Symbolically, yes. The ritual of Communion is symbolic act of cannibalism.
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No seriously--like I said above, this one got me in real trouble for asking--it's not symbolic, Catholics are supposed to believe that the communion wafers and wine are actually turned into the body and blood of Christ.

This is the consecration Prayer from the Eucharist (commentary in italics):
At the Consecration our focus is on the altar where the priest presents to the Most Holy Trinity a glorious gift when he elevates the Sacred Host. We are blessed to be present at a most holy and sublime moment. When the priest holds up the host and says the words This is my Body we silently look with reverence on the Sacred Host knowing that Our Savior himself is hidden under the appearance of bread and say silently as did St. Thomas, “My Lord and My God. This Sacred Host is Jesus, the immortal King of
heaven and earth, who at the word of the priest has become present upon the altar.

On the night he was betrayed,
he took bread and gave you thanks and praise.
He broke the bread, gave it to his disciples, and said:
Take this, all of you, and eat it:
this is my body which will be given up for you.

When the priest holds up the chalice with the precious blood we can say the words “My Jesus Mercy” The words “This is the cup of my blood...” means the blood in this chalice is the very same blood Jesus shed on the cross two thousand years ago. Precious Blood cleanse and sanctify me that nothing may ever separate me from you.

When supper was ended, he took the cup.
Again he gave you thanks and praise,
gave the cup to his disciples, and said:
Take this, all of you, and drink from it:
this is the cup of my blood,
the blood of the new and everlasting covenant.
It will be shed for you and for all
so that sins may be forgiven.
Do this in memory of me.

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Diogenes said:

Wouldn't a Chardonay be better with that fillet of Christ?
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"Jesus- the other white meat"? :D


I realize that many Christians denominations do not suggest that the communion wine and bread are actually transformed into the body and blood of Christ.
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Oh, but some do! Transubstantiation is (or was) a VERY real thing to them; hence all the protocols about handling the hosts, and debates about whether you're supposed to chew the wafers or let them dissolve on the tongue, etc.


Imagine the fuss that would be made if group of pagans or Devil worshipers made it well known that they frequently (weekly ) participated in a ritual where they consumed what they believed to be the blood and flesh of a human being.
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I don't know about the Satanists, but pagans do Communion all the time. Bread and wine are passed around, but nobody thinks it's more than just symbolic, at least not until after the ritual. The Dionysians my wife hangs with did a goat roast a few years back: the goat wasn't sacrificed TO the god, it was killed AS the god in enactment of the annual birth/death/rebirth cycle. See, the Christians didn't invent this stuff.
 
BillyTK said:
This one got me into real trouble at Sunday School, what with the Roman Catholic belief that at the moment the priest asks for God's blessing on the communion wine and wafers, it is transformed into the actual body and blood of Christ. And the whole thing about Christ being a lamb which is sacrificed. I know now that it was a device to make christianity more attractive to the godless cannibal heathens. So anyway, what with being a vegetarian, I no longer take holy communion when I attend mass...
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Just imagine Jesus as being made of tofu....:D
 
Kiri said:


Just imagine Jesus as being made of tofu....:D
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I carnt, cos when i swallow it's still Jesus (and that brings to mind some rather unpleasant thoughts). And even if Jesus were tofu, he'd probably turn himself into loaves and fishes or summat!
 
I am sure that many gods filled heathens have had this thought. The first I know of is A. Crowley ponting out that the communion is cannibalism.
MMMM, mommy I want the white meat.
While we are on the subject I have a friend who objects to the fact that the babtists use grape juice, after all Jesus did not say 'and this Juicy Juice shall be my blood', he also thought that oyster crackers were declasse.

Peace
dancing david
 
Dancing David said:
I am sure that many gods filled heathens have had this thought. The first I know of is A. Crowley ponting out that the communion is cannibalism.
MMMM, mommy I want the white meat.
While we are on the subject I have a friend who objects to the fact that the babtists use grape juice, after all Jesus did not say 'and this Juicy Juice shall be my blood', he also thought that oyster crackers were declasse.

Peace
dancing david
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LOL :D As Archie Bunker would have said, "It says 'bread' and 'wine' right there in Enlgish, the laguage that the Holy Bible was written in!"

On the other side of the coin, when I was a teenager one of my Methodist youth directors tried to argue that grape juice was okay because the actual word for wine in the original texts could be interpeted either way. Boy, did I ever breathe a sigh of relief! ;)
 
That Jesus guy must have been one enormous dude if they're still devouring him after 2000 years.

Where did they get a crane large enough to stand that cross up after nailing him to it??:)
 
BobK said:
That Jesus guy must have been one enormous dude if they're still devouring him after 2000 years.
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Portion control, Bob, it's all about portion control. That, and Tupperware. :D
 
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BillyTK said:
No seriously--like I said above, this one got me in real trouble for asking--it's not symbolic, Catholics are supposed to believe that the communion wafers and wine are actually turned into the body and blood of Christ.
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If it were not a symbolic act of cannibalism, then there would actually be flesh consumed.

Anyone, including a Catholic looking at a wafer and imagining, "Our Savior himself is hidden under the appearance of bread," knows a cracker when they see one.

Imagination doesn't make it real, except maybe for a young materialists trying to beg an argument.

Love,
Socrates
 
BillyTK said:


I carnt, cos when i swallow it's still Jesus (and that brings to mind some rather unpleasant thoughts). And even if Jesus were tofu, he'd probably turn himself into loaves and fishes or summat!
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I know wotcher mean. I have a hard time swallowing anything concerning Jesus.:D
 
Tricky said:

I know wotcher mean. I have a hard time swallowing anything concerning Jesus.:D
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Tricky, it is one of my fondest dreams to one day be as funny as you! :D :D :D
 
What kind of a sick religion eats the flesh of and drinks the blood of the only person who's supposed to live forever?
 
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