Merged Is Scientism Really Justified?

[steenkh]

I had prepared a response, but dropped it because the OP has given up and nobody else is listening.

That's a shame. I followed the thread precisely to hear what arguments there were for the OP, but found that it collapsed because it was an argument against a position that nobody holds. Were you really able to rescue it?

 

[Pixel42]

The OP has given up before and then returned, I'm pretty sure they will at least read further responses, so it would certainly be worth posting any substantive ones. They've also recently made a post in another thread (the "did you use to go to church" one) that looks to be related.

 

[Steve]

You are wrong, I read every post. Typical of a 'skeptic' to blithely assert something they don't actually know is true. Must be one of those 'other ways' of knowing.

I had prepared a response, but dropped it because the OP has given up and nobody else is listening.

Then you know that no "hounding" occurred. Trying to get a poster to support or defend their assertions is in no way "hounding". If you think that the OP made a valid case then support it. Or stop whining.

 

[Dave Rogers]

It seemed to me that the OP was trying to hound many other posters into espousing scientism and defending it, despite literally nobody involved being a follower of that point of view. When he finally realised he couldn't goad anyone into changing their views for his convenience, he gave up.

I'd also like to point out that, when anyone, including me, offered a valid point for discussion, he ignored it and repeated, often word for word, his demand that everybody else espouse scientism and then defend it.

Not exactly the poor little victim.

Dave

 

[theprestige]

You are wrong, I read every post. Typical of a 'skeptic' to blithely assert something they don't actually know is true. Must be one of those 'other ways' of knowing.

I had prepared a response, but dropped it because the OP has given up and nobody else is listening.

That's a shame. I followed the thread precisely to hear what arguments there were for the OP, but found that it collapsed because it was an argument against a position that nobody holds. Were you really able to rescue it?

I'm with steenkh: I would very much like to see what RR has to say about this topic.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

You are wrong, I read every post. Typical of a 'skeptic' to blithely assert something they don't actually know is true. Must be one of those 'other ways' of knowing.

I had prepared a response, but dropped it because the OP has given up and nobody else is listening.

I wrote a brilliant rebuttal to your response. It, too, will never see the light of day, and other posters will just have to take it on my word that it exists.

It isn't rewarding to listen to someone vaguely insinuate that they have a point without ever actually making it.

 

[Mojo]

I'm with steenkh: I would very much like to see what RR has to say about this topic.

If it isn't espousing and defending "hard scientism" it will be hounding.

 

[Mojo]

I wrote a brilliant rebuttal to your response. It, too, will never see the light of day, and other posters will just have to take it on my word that it exists.

This thread is too narrow to contain it.

 

[theprestige]

Well I have drafted the perfect rebuttal, but now I don't feel like posting it. Your loss.

 

[Thermal]

I had a butt so perfect that all these Johhny-come-lately rebuttals would've been put to shame.

 

[Steve]

I had a butt so perfect that all these Johhny-come-lately rebuttals would've been put to shame.

Is a re-butt something like a transplant?

 

[Helen]

Is a re-butt something like a transplant?

A BBL perhaps? Or is that a re-up-butt?

 

[Axxman300]

There is a Religion & Philosophy board in this forum. Had the OP been posted there he would have received the same response. But, no, this was posted on the General Skepticism & Paranormal board. This poster has a track record of drive-by posts. IMO he's just using us to train A.I., there is a lot of this going on, and he's posting from a country where much of that work is done remotely. But on the off-chance he's sincere, he comes across as a first-year philosophy student (they're the worst) who's been exposed to a bunch of concepts, and is misapplying them to his world.

He has failed to:

1. Frame an argument, any argument, in a meaningful or understandable way.
2. Define knowlege.
3. Provide examples (not even one) where science is incapable of an explanation.
4. Engage in meaningful debate with anyone.

But other than that, I guess we're the baddies.

It's like going to the History board and posting about the lost Roman legion, and then complaing you're not here to talk about history.

 

[Thermal]

Is a re-butt something like a transplant?

I like rebutts and I cannot lie.

 

[dudalb]

Well, it works better then anything else that has come along.

 

[EHocking]

Is a re-butt something like a transplant?

Dunno, but an avocado is something like a transplant.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I wrote a brilliant rebuttal to your response. It, too, will never see the light of day, and other posters will just have to take it on my word that it exists.

It isn't rewarding to listen to someone vaguely insinuate that they have a point without ever actually making it.

My invisible pink unicorn just told me all about your rebuttal. It's so amazing!

Pity Roger will never see it.

 

[Helen]

My invisible pink unicorn just told me all about your rebuttal. It's so amazing!

Pity Roger will never see it.

I heard the same when I consulted the scryer who lives in the mulberry bush.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I'd read that book, I find the question of what makes us think we've seen a ghost absolutely fascinating. There was a TV show called something like 'Paranormal Home Investigations' where alongside the 'psychic' (as bad as you could imagine) and the 'psychical investigator' who pretty much just went through local records and news to list everyone who'd died within miles of the place and suggest that any or all of them could be haunting it, information clearly passed on to the 'psychic' often on screen, they had a qualified building inspector checking the house out.

The things he found ranged from the obvious, like overgrown trees and squirrels causing scratching sounds, less obvious ones like redundant heating ductwork that could allow voices from outside or next door to penetrate inner rooms and one particularly interesting one where the resident claimed and entity had tried to push her friend down the stairs. The stairs themselves were a spiral staircase that failed building codes on having no handrail and too small treads, it was also slightly too short so whoever installed it had sloped the last few inches of hallway to meet it. Finally, the wall and ceiling of the hallway at the top of the stairs were slightly out of true which had a slightly unbalancing effect as you walked toward the stairs, he described them as a 'death trap', no ghost needed.

Sadly I only saw one short season of it, I suspect the contrast between the woo and the actual investigation that upset the target audience of people that gasp at dust motes.

After mentioning this show, someone's done a retrospective including plenty of clips.