Is McDonalds Selectively Killing Americans?

SteveGrenard said:
It's not what they call it or if they have some specialty items to reflect regional preferences. It's the way they cook it .... the type of fats or grease they use in the US markets were found to be promoters of artheriosclerosis compared to the shortening used overseas. You don't think this is controversial? Obviously several hundred media outlets think it is as do the researchers who discovered this.
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Steve, you are again up to your old tricks.

I pointed out that they cater to different markets, which means we should expect that there are differences. I didn't say that the use of trans fats is not controversial, or harmful.

You simply can't stop with your misrepresentation, can you?

What do you base your assertion that this demographic profile is "secret", when we all can see that there are obvious differences between the Mickey D's in various countries? What is so secret about this?

Do you admit that you added your response to your post after I asked you the question? Just yes or no, please.

Lisa Simpson said:
Right. Here in L.A., they have items catering to our large Hispanic population. But this study was not about the unusual items. It is only about chicken nuggets and french fries.
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They don't use the same oil in LA to cook both their BigMacs and their regional stuff?
 
This is new information and was not publicly known a few days ago which is the basis for my remark that these differences in fat types used to cook were "secret." By questionning this are you stating that you know McDonald's releases this research? Have done so previously? If so, please prove. References please. Thank you.
 
SteveGrenard said:
This is new information and was not publicly known a few days ago which is the basis for my remark that these differences in fat types used to cook were "secret." By questionning this are you stating that you know McDonald's releases this research? Have done so previously? If so, please prove. References please. Thank you.
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I am not questioning this, Steve. Jeebus, can't you be honest for two seconds?

And answer the question:

Do you admit that you added your response to your post after I asked you the question? Just yes or no, please.
 
CFLarsen said:
They don't use the same oil in LA to cook both their BigMacs and their regional stuff?
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Right. In LA, they use one type of oil. In other parts of the US or world, they are using different types of oil, hence the differences in trans fat content.

McDonald's website says 160 grams of chicken McNuggets (that's 10 pieces) has 2.5 grams of trans fat acids. The study published in JAMA says 160 grams of McNuggets has 11 grams of trans fat acids. That's a huge difference.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
Right. In LA, they use one type of oil. In other parts of the US or world, they are using different types of oil, hence the differences in trans fat content.

McDonald's website says 160 grams of chicken McNuggets (that's 10 pieces) has 2.5 grams of trans fat acids. The study published in JAMA says 160 grams of McNuggets has 11 grams of trans fat acids. That's a huge difference.
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I asked if they use the same type of oil in LA for various stuff. Don't they?
 
Lisa Simpson said:
We seem to be having a communication problem here. Which one of these words do you not understand?

Tell me which one, and I will explain it to you.
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I understand you perfectly.

From the OP:

The researchers said the differences in the fat content are related to the type of frying oil used, with the trans fat being found in high concentrations in hydrogenated vegetable oil.
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I asked if they use the same type of oil in LA for various stuff. Don't they?

If they use the same type of oil, then it doesn't matter what food it is. It's the oil we are talking about.
 
The researchers said the differences in the fat content are related to the type of frying oil used, with the trans fat being found in high concentrations in hydrogenated vegetable oil.
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I asked if they use the same type of oil in LA for various stuff. Don't they?

If they use the same type of oil, then it doesn't matter what food it is. It's the oil we are talking about.
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Right. Oil is the key. And the point of the study is...that McD's is using different types of oil to cook chicken nuggets and french fries in different parts of the world or even within the same country. Which they shouldn't be, since their website doesn't offer the levels of transfat acids in McNuggets for individual areas. Got it now?
 
CFLarsen said:
I understand you perfectly.

From the OP:



I asked if they use the same type of oil in LA for various stuff. Don't they?

If they use the same type of oil, then it doesn't matter what food it is. It's the oil we are talking about.
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Yes, Claus, you're technically correct here, but you are missing the point. McDonald's in America is advertising the fat content of it's food, giving the same figures for the same dishes in all of it's resturants. However the fat content varies dramatically between regions and so the information they are putting out is very misleading, and that is why this is news (but this is what SteveGrenard did not make clear).
I can see why McDonald's is doing this, catering for different tastes, but their marketing is dishonest.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
Right. Oil is the key. And the point of the study is...that McD's is using different types of oil to cook chicken nuggets and french fries in different parts of the world or even within the same country. Which they shouldn't be, since their website doesn't offer the levels of transfat acids in McNuggets for individual areas. Got it now?
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Do they claim that they use the same oil everywhere on the planet? I don't see that at all.

And since it's the oil, it doesn't matter if we are talking about their unusual items or fries.
 
Here's what McD's website says, in regards to calculating nutritional info:

McDonald's attempts to provide nutrition and ingredient information regarding its products that is as complete as possible. Some menu items may not be available at all restaurants; test products, test formulations or regional items have not been included. While the ingredient information is based on standard product formulations, variations may occur depending on the local supplier, the region of the country and the season of the year. Further, product formulations change periodically. Serving sizes may vary from quantity upon which the analysis was conducted. Serving size designation for beverages refers to total cup capacity; the actual amounts of beverage (and ice) may vary. No products are certified as vegetarian; all products may contain trace amounts of ingredients derived from animals. If you wish further information or have special sensitivities or dietary concerns regarding specific ingredients in specific menu items please call us at the number below. This listing is continuously updated in an attempt to reflect the current status of our products and may vary from printed materials.
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Show me where it says the information stated may be off by as much as three times the numbers stated.
 
brodski said:
Yes, Claus, you're technically correct here, but you are missing the point. McDonald's in America is advertising the fat content of it's food, giving the same figures for the same dishes in all of it's resturants. However the fat content varies dramatically between regions and so the information they are putting out is very misleading, and that is why this is news (but this is what SteveGrenard did not make clear).
I can see why McDonald's is doing this, catering for different tastes, but their marketing is dishonest.
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I'm not missing this point. It's just not very "secret". At least not here. The EU has tried to get Denmark to use the bad(der) trans fats since 2004. So far, with no luck.
 
When I lived in China the McDonalds in Hong Kong had pumpkin soup and fried chicken. It was awful.

Honestly, pumpkin soup?
 
CFLarsen said:
I'm not missing this point. It's just not very "secret". At least not here. The EU has tried to get Denmark to use the bad(der) trans fats since 2004. So far, with no luck.
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that's the point isn't it, it seems that given McDonald's advertising in the US, it is a surprise to people.
Now, you may be very well informed as to the relative fats contest of big macs world wide, but given that McDonald's has been advertising standard fat contents in the US, this study does show that they have be lying (by omission) to those US consumers who at the same time want to control their trans fat intake, whilst still eating at McDonald's.
The issue is not that there are varying fat levels in McNugets around the US, the issue is that McDonald's not only dos not tell people that, they are indicating to their consumers that the fat levels are consistent across all outlets, and informing consumers what that "standard" level of trans fat is.
 
I could only check out McD's website for countries that speak English. Canada's site I couldn't find info on oil type. UK's says partially hydrogenated rapeseed oil, Australia's says canola oil blend, New Zealand says they recently switched to all vegetable oil.

Since McD's UK's website says they use partially hydrogenated rapeseed (canola for Americans) for fries and nuggets why is there a 3 percent difference between trans fats in fries between Glasgow and Aberdeen?

And I must stop feeding the troll. :bwall
 
Hey, Pumpkin soup sounds good to me! But I eat pumkins like the squash that they are. Pumpkins, not just for pie anymore...

McDonalds has always had regional differences. When I was flipping bugers in the 70's they told us that in Texas they used more mustard. Seems the Mexican influence wanted more spiciness. LA has lots of Mexican -Americans who were raised on lard-fried fooda. Maybe they expect a little bit more of the 'saturated fat' feel? Personally, I dislike the blandness of foods fried in veggie oils, I'd rather add a bit of lard to the pan. And I'm a Lithuanian-Southern Californian.

I know that lard has the highest percent of those good Mono-unstaturated fats of anything, at 40% vs Olive oil at 28. I wonder how lard compares to hydrogrenated veggie oil for trans fats? Perhaps lard would be healthier?

There are studies showing that stearic acid isn't bad for you. Stearic acid is the saturated fat in beef and pork. But those studies were funded by the beef and pork industry. Still I wonder if it wasn't the fat in the burgers that was bad, it was the trans fats on the fries. I'll bet that the guys who ate the most meat also ate the most fried veggies/chicken/fish...

Since the new labeling went tinto effect the first of this year, I haven't seen anythin in the grocery stroe with ANY trrans fats. WHOOOPS, i just read the can of Crisco in the fridge. It's 10% trans fats. Lard has to be better for me...<http://www.thehealthierlife.co.uk/article/3378/trans-fatty-acids.html>

I can't find the percent of trans fat in lard, but I did find a link that says 80% of trans fats in our diet come from hydrogenated veggie oil, only 20% from meat fat.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
Since McD's UK's website says they use partially hydrogenated rapeseed (canola for Americans) for fries and nuggets why is there a 3 percent difference between trans fats in fries between Glasgow and Aberdeen?
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because the amount of fat absorbed will depend on the amount of time the food in immersed in the oil, as well as what oil is used. there are other factors as well. I still have to ask though, if people are worried about their fat intake, why are they eating at McDonald's?

Lisa Simpson said:
And I must stop feeding the troll. :bwall
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BAN HIM! ;)
 
CFLarsen said:
I am not questioning this, Steve. Jeebus, can't you be honest for two seconds?

And answer the question:

Do you admit that you added your response to your post after I asked you the question? Just yes or no, please.
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yeah, so? Is it against the rules? You must have been some whiney child.
 
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