Is Materialism Faith Based?

[Imaginist]

Okay friends,

This is all starting to run in circles.

Some of you materialists have been honest enough to admit that materialism is based upon faith, others secretly know it but won't admit it, and a very few of you are such unquestioning zealots for that faith that you can't even see it. I respect the first group, sympathize with the second (I've been in a similar place), and pity the latter. I hope we all take the time to fully integrate the implications of our foundations in faith.

Thank you all for your participation, and for the civility of those that demonstrated it, which was the majority. I leave the thread in your heads/hands.

 

[c4ts]

Okay friends,

This is all starting to run in circles.

Some of you materialists have been honest enough to admit that materialism is based upon faith, others secretly know it but won't admit it, and a very few of you are such unquestioning zealots for that faith that you can't even see it. I respect the first group, sympathize with the second (I've been in a similar place), and pity the latter. I hope we all take the time to fully integrate the implications of our foundations in faith.

LOL

You are aware you're begging the quesion, right? (pun intended)

 

[Dancing David]

Socrates:
I agree that many accept on faith what is presented as science.
Hopwever I have yet to see eveidence of a positive nature for the supernatural or extra ordinary.
Faith would seem to be the blind trust in something. Ihave my reasons for being a materialist.
Off topic:
You don't happen to believe in the self , do you you?

Peace
dancing david

 

[hammegk]

I'm not sure how you got to idealism, but if one confines discussion to only the physical world and that which interacts with it then you're rather confined to materialism by default. If we can only observe the physical, all else is speculation.

The choice is mind, or matter. With your choice of matter, do you not speculate wrt HPC & 1st person/3rd person questions?

 

[Interesting Ian]

Imaginist
Materialism is not based on faith, unless you first define faith to mean something other than faith.

Materialism is based on Reason.

Materialism is based on reason??? What "reason" might this be Yahzi??

 

[Socrates]

Hopwever I have yet to see eveidence of a positive nature for the supernatural or extra ordinary.

No one is suggesting an alternative worldview; this is simply an examination of Materialism.

Faith would seem to be the blind trust in something. Ihave my reasons for being a materialist.

The connotation in which Faith is used here has been addressed twice in this thread. Your statement above is not the connotation used.

You don't happen to believe in the self , do you you?

LOL

I wasn't born yesterday. Why don't you define "self" and then start a new thread asking that question.

Love,
Socrates

 

[Yahzi]

Why do you insist on using the word faith when it can only confuse things?

You want to make us agree that we take materialism on faith, so then you can say that we are the same as religion taken faith, even while recognizing that faith does not have the same meaning in those two clauses.

Is it faith if you are physically incapable of doubting it?

While it is true that materialism and theology are both unproven in the logically deductive sense, it is not appropriate to equate both of them as based on faith. One is based on faith, and the other is based on assumptions that are logically necessitated by our brain configurations. While you could refer to both positions as "faith," you could also refer to both of them as "ice cream" or "chinese." Once you decided to assing new meanings to words, why stop?

 

[Socrates]

You want to make us agree that we take materialism on faith, so then you can say that we are the same as religion taken faith, even while recognizing that faith does not have the same meaning in those two clauses.

Well, no. This is Imaginist's question and Imaginist's definition of Faith--not mine. And, Imaginist makes it very clear (it has been sighted twice in this thread) that this is not the connotation of faith that he is using. Go back and read the first 5 or 6 postings.

Is it faith if you are physically incapable of doubting it?

I doubt; therefore, I am. Errrr.... Ummm... You are incapable of doubting; therefore, you are not?

It is just a friendly discussion. We don't have to agree on the answer.

Love,
Socrates