Is it so much fun to be a prostitute ?
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SRW
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Nikk said:It's a practical guide to availability, costs and terms and conditions of service of prostitutes in the UK. An assessment of the ahem skills of the service providers is given by the punters themselves as well as website links.
Quite a useful little work, it certainly has been added to my list of favourites.
It's written by an American by the way who clearly has found a satisfactory way of coping with the British weather.
Like this
Not work (or wife) friendly and does contain pics.
No, I don't confuse your views with Castro, and, yes, Castro is the one who allegedly said this. See my comments.SRW said:
And how on Earth could it mean that?!
I don't even know if the excerpt included all of the first chapter or just the beginning of it! From what it says, however, the author's reason for becoming a prostitute (or, at first, apparently, a phone sex worker) seems to be very unambiguous:
"I needed money. I needed a lot of money, and I needed it quickly."
Neither do I - and I'm fairly content riding my 18-year-old Yamaha Virago 1000. The author has a different and much more urgent problem:SRW said:Oh Is see, I say that every time I see a Harley ridding down the street, but I do not live in poverty.
The last time I had the same problem, I not only felt, but actually was poor. But as I've pointed out before, the temporary poverty of a student cannot really be compared with poverty as a life perspective.
Most likely. One of the favourite motives of the gay comic book artist Ralf König http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...002-1509374-2484022?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 (somebody ought to translate and publish his very funny 'Shakespearean' comic book Iago in English!) is to compare the gay (male) scene with the straight relationship between the two sexes: A straight guy is shocked by the way gay men meet and have casual sex in public parks, and a gay guy asks him what he would think of a public park where straight women went in order to have sex for free with men. The heterosexual guy finds the idea implausible, but it immediately turns into a wet dream of his.jay gw said:
I think that the promiscuousness of the gay scene makes it easier to meet somebody and have casual sex, no questions asked. Therefore there probably wouldn't be a market for male prostitutes (and I think the majority by far of male prostitutes cater to the gay market), unless a lot of gay men were interested in very young men. And these young men would then tend to become prostitutes for the money involved in the exchange, not for the sex. What else?!
As for male prostitutes catering to straight women: I think that in the case of men, many of them might be more attracted to the idea of women wanting casual sex with them than to the money involved. I don't think that reality would quite live up to the fantasy, however, but I'm not sure.
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The lady described in the clip you posted would hardly be described as nearing poverty! As near as I could tell she simply wanted more money than she had readily available; a catagory most everyone would fit into. The difference being that she was willing to do something that most are not to get the money. Of course if most were willing to do that then the market would drive the cost down significantly even to the point of it being free...dann said:
I know two prostitutes. Both are the high-priced ones; one is a legal prostitute in Nevada, the other is an "escort" in Chicago. Neither of them are poor, and both seem pretty smart and very articulate, and could easily find decent work elsewhere.
One of them admits she is in it strictly for the money, although she doesn't consider it an unpleasant job, and says that when the chemistry is right she enjoys it as much as any person having hot sex would. The other considers it a spiritual calling (God bless those pagans!) and plans to make a career out of it, and the fact that the money is good is just a bonus.
Obviously, these women are rare exceptions, and, while I'm sure that poverty is a factor in most prostitutes' choice of occupation, prostitution in general would continue to exist even among women who could make a decent living elsewhere, purely because some men are willing to pay an awful lot to get laid with a pretty girl. Hell, I've thought about a trip to Nevada once or twice, and I'm even married to a pretty girl (who is, fortunately, very understanding about such things).
Now, my question is this: even if most prostitutes are doing it because they are very poor, is that inherently bad? If a woman doesn't particularly like having sex for money, but considers it the best option for herself at the time (and isn't being coerced, of course -- which is a powerful argument for legalization, but that's a discussion for another thread), then who are we to second-guess that decision? Waiting tables isn't a job most people like, either, but no one thinks it's terrible when someone works at a restaurant to pay the bills.
Jeremy
One of them admits she is in it strictly for the money, although she doesn't consider it an unpleasant job, and says that when the chemistry is right she enjoys it as much as any person having hot sex would. The other considers it a spiritual calling (God bless those pagans!) and plans to make a career out of it, and the fact that the money is good is just a bonus.
Obviously, these women are rare exceptions, and, while I'm sure that poverty is a factor in most prostitutes' choice of occupation, prostitution in general would continue to exist even among women who could make a decent living elsewhere, purely because some men are willing to pay an awful lot to get laid with a pretty girl. Hell, I've thought about a trip to Nevada once or twice, and I'm even married to a pretty girl (who is, fortunately, very understanding about such things).
Now, my question is this: even if most prostitutes are doing it because they are very poor, is that inherently bad? If a woman doesn't particularly like having sex for money, but considers it the best option for herself at the time (and isn't being coerced, of course -- which is a powerful argument for legalization, but that's a discussion for another thread), then who are we to second-guess that decision? Waiting tables isn't a job most people like, either, but no one thinks it's terrible when someone works at a restaurant to pay the bills.
Jeremy
She had no money available, so, yes, she wanted more than that because:Gulliamo said:
I don't know about you, but I don't fit into that category, nor do most of the people I know.
Apparently she is being coerced to choose between prostitution and waitressing as the best option for herself. I think that is inherently bad, yes, especially since she doesn't particularly like having sex for money and most people don't like waitressing either.
dann said:
Only insofar as she is being coerced to choose between waitressing and working at Wal-Mart, or being a housekeeper, or...
It would be nice if this were a world if individuals weren't "coerced" by their financial situation to take jobs they don't like, but I think such hypothesizing is beyond the scope of this thread.
Fair enough. I'll rephrase to ask whether it's inherently any worse than taking any other low-paying job, most of which are perfectly socially acceptable.
Jeremy
Just back from TAM3 and I saw lots of hookers. Talked to some. I enjoy hookers, although I don't employ them. I just like their advertising.
There would be hookers even if there were no poverty. Poverty is relative. There would always be a place to go. The basic law is that looks buy money and money buys looks. Sometimes the exchange is honest as prostitute's hourly charge and sometimes not.
Additionally, women often have sex with random strangers for no money at all. Sometimes multiples in one night. I suspect they would not mind being paid.
Further, prostitutes can pick and choose. They don't have to take just any Tom, Hairy, Dick.
Really, it is like all labor. All labor requires the participant to give up a modicum of freedom and time for some amount of reward to be used later.
Of all the professions, prostitutions while the oldest would not be on my list of the worst. Nor the most dishonorable. Politicians are much bigger whores and deliver much less for what we pay them. Generally, I have liked strippers and prostitutes. I just have no need for their service.
imho,
Mrick
There would be hookers even if there were no poverty. Poverty is relative. There would always be a place to go. The basic law is that looks buy money and money buys looks. Sometimes the exchange is honest as prostitute's hourly charge and sometimes not.
Additionally, women often have sex with random strangers for no money at all. Sometimes multiples in one night. I suspect they would not mind being paid.
Further, prostitutes can pick and choose. They don't have to take just any Tom, Hairy, Dick.
Really, it is like all labor. All labor requires the participant to give up a modicum of freedom and time for some amount of reward to be used later.
Of all the professions, prostitutions while the oldest would not be on my list of the worst. Nor the most dishonorable. Politicians are much bigger whores and deliver much less for what we pay them. Generally, I have liked strippers and prostitutes. I just have no need for their service.
imho,
Mrick
This is when it becomes a matter of 'taste', I think, when you have to choose between two (or more) evils. Being a prostitute would probably pay better in most cases, but at the same time be more disgusting to most people. (Which might encourage you to try to overcome this disgust by means of substance abuse - if substance abuse wasn't what caused your urgent need for money in the first place - thus rendering impossible your initial idea to retire after a few months/years.) Also: Pimps are probably more brutal than ordinary employers, and johns (able to be) more so than ordinary customers in a shopping mall.toddjh said:
But the really bad thing is the circumstances that force this choice upon you in the first place: poverty, i.e. market economy.
(cf. the article mentioned above: http://www.gegenstandpunkt.com/english/poverty.html)
Probably not random in the sense that they don't choose the partners they find attactive.Mrick said:
A very rare phenomenon, I think. (Outside of fiction)
If they would not mind, then why do you think they are just promiscuous and not prostitutes?
Which, of course, is what has resulted in the familiar phenomena of websites and streets full of available johns with prostitutes cruising around to pick up the john of their choice, right? Come on! They sometimes have some choice, but "pick and choose"?!!
Well, sometimes (a slow night etc.) they do have to take on just any hairy dick and all.
You can get Coca Cola almost anywhere in Cuba. Probably imported from Mexico, I think. (I prefer the Cuban Tucola or Tropicola, so I don't really care anyway.)Ranb said:
The US blockade means that it is much more expensive to buy and transport some things. Since the US has made it impossible for ships transporting goods from e.g. Europe to Cuba to head for a US port on the way back to pick up goods there destined for Europe, they may have to return almost empty.
www.globalexchange.org/countries/cuba/
www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/cuba/background/history.html
www.cubasolidarity.net/blockade.html
www.cubavsbloqueo.cu/en/
www.cubavsbloqueo.cu/Default.aspx?tabid=533
www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43b/index-bd.html
www.canadacuba.ca/donate/donatetocuba.php
Yes, if Cuba chose to become a vassal state of the USA there wouldn't be any blockade. Of course, they would then have to give up all the achievements of the Cuban revolution, which might be a small price to pay in the eyes of many norte americanos. Most Cubans, however, probably wouldn't appreciate the introduction of the kind of poverty prevalent in the rest of Latin America.
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dann said:
Spinach and liver are more healthy than hamburgers or pizza, but at the same time are more disgusting to most people. Should we outlaw spinach and liver?
You've admitted that the bias against prostitution is a matter of taste, and not based on anything substantive. Thank you.
There's a lot of things in the world that I don't like. Mayonaise, for one. But I don't spend my time complaining about it (unless people try to force it on me), and I certainly don't complain about others that use it. And even though it is extremely unhealthy (raw eggs and oil are not the healthiest of all foods), I don't see any calls for outlawing it.