Is it so much fun to be a prostitute ?

[dann]

I don't believe in the myth that women become prostitutes because life is cruel to them. Life is cruel to many women and many of them prefer to become maids or wash dishes in restaurants rather than becoming whores.

There is another category I know since I was a college student. Some girls become prostitutes in order to buy expensive clothes and cover debts by credit cards.

'Life' is cruel to many people and, it is true, many prefer not to become prostitutes. Most of us don't consider this 'career option'. (For now, let's forget about the childish masturbation fantasies!) However, there is a difference between the people who "prefer to become maids or wash dishes in restaurants" instead of being prostitutes, and the ones who prefer to be(come) doctors, professors, stockmarket brokers (or better still: stock owners!) instead of whores.
I was also a college student some years ago, and I can think of a third category: the ones who were able to buy expensive clothes and have their credit-card debts covered because they had wealthy and generous parents (or used to have wealthy parent who were now deceased). But then again: that was not a category that ever even considered becoming prostitutes - mainly because they never had to worry seriously about expenses.

 

[Cleopatra]

'Life' is cruel to many people and, it is true, many prefer not to become prostitutes. Most of us don't consider this 'career option'. (For now, let's forget about the childish masturbation fantasies!) However, there is a difference between the people who "prefer to become maids or wash dishes in restaurants" instead of being prostitutes, and the ones who prefer to be(come) doctors, professors, stockmarket brokers (or better still: stock owners!) instead of whores.

If you are in a really difficult period of your life you cannot become a doctor or a lawyer or a stock market broker. Becoming a lawyer is much more difficult than opening your legs for money.
It would be interesting to see if a woman has ever exercized this profession in order to cover the tuition of the School of Medicine or the School of Law.

Many women and I am talking about young and good looking women prefer to go wash dishes when they are in a challenging situation than becoming prostitutes. All I want to say is that what you do when you are in a difficult situation speaks volumes about your character.

I was also a college student some years ago, and I can think of a third category: the ones who were able to buy expensive clothes and have their credit-card debts covered because they had wealthy and generous parents (or used to have wealthy parent who were now deceased). But then again: that was not a category that ever even considered becoming prostitutes - mainly because they never had to worry seriously about expenses.

I am sorry but I miss the point in this argument. What do you mean?

 

[Cleopatra]

I am surprised to see Cleopatra, a law practioner, calling them "whores", it's so judgemental and seems to presume that the prostitute could so easily be doing something much "nicer". Thus they earn the damning title "whore" in advance. Such a nasty term to apply indiscriminantly.

I apologize for that. To my defense I have to tell you that I am not a native english speaker and to me the words have meanings and not quality. I should have been more careful though since I know the difference.

 

[Cleopatra]

I don't argue that there is a very ugly side to prostitution. In fact, I'm sure the ugly side outweighs the positives.

However, there are prostitutes out there who do actually enjoy what they do. I wouldn't expect you would see them in your profession. i.e. they don't get arrested.
At least I know in this part of the world, it is perfectly easy to operate as a prostitute in legal ways, that would prevent you from ever having trouble with the law.
A lot of the women work for themselves, make a ton of money, and have loads of free time. OK, they are probably in the minority, but they do exist.

Yes I agree. In each business there are the clever and more competent businessmen that have luck on their side too while the majority if very mediocre. That's why I don't believe in the myth "Oh the poor girl that ended up a prostitute".

 

[El Greco]

Ok, to further this interesting socio-economical discussion I have searched and I offer you the websites of two top prostitutes that have been arrested during the last days in Athens, Greece.

These links ARE NOT work-friendly (or maybe they are TOO work-friendly, depending on your prespective).

This is the site of the Bulgarian girl who used to charge 30,000 euros for a weekend (through web archive, since the original is closed down): Marlene

And here is the site of Kizia, the black gazelle from Africa who flew to Athens thinking she was going to meet a client but alas, she met the police: Kizia.

If you are sad that you've discovered the paradise too late, have courage: I'm sure that both girls will resume their normal activities before you can count 30,000 euros.

 

[Cleopatra]

I don't have a clue about those cases but I wonder. Does a 30.000 E call girl needs a web-site to find clients? Descretion is the top virtue in this business.

 

[El Greco]

To further the discussion even more, I will point out that according to Kizia's site, she studies law

 

[Cleopatra]

To further the discussion even more, I will point out that according to Kizia's site, she studies law

HAHAHAHAHAHA.Thanks for pointing this out. I missed it.
This reminds me of the interviews of the girls in the beauty contests in Greece.

- What is your dream career?
-When I will be finished with modelling I will definetly become a nuclear scientist.
-What your hobby?
- When I am out of the catwalk I am trying to find alternative ways in solving Fermat's last theorem.

et cetera... et cetera... et cetera...

 

[El Greco]

And here are the reports of their arrests.

For Marlene (from this page):

Elite prostitute

A 36-year-old Bulgarian prostitute who allegedly advertised her costly services over the Internet was arrested in an Athens hotel on Tuesday by a policeman posing as a prospective client. According to police, the unnamed woman had promoted herself as a high-class “escort” on her site, which included details of her services, costing as much as 30,000 euros.

For Kizia (from this page):

Woman held for ‘Internet prostitution’

A 30-year-old naturalized French woman, who allegedly solicited international clients from her Brussels base using a website, was yesterday being detained in Athens on charges of “prostitution via the Internet” after a policeman posing as a potential client invited her to Greece. It is the first such sting operation to be carried out by police in Greece.

The woman, born in Ivory Coast, who has not been named, served clients in her Brussels home but would also offer to visit prospective clients in other countries if they agreed to cover her travel costs along with her fees, Attica police said.

According to police, the woman’s website included revealing photographs of herself, her mobile telephone number and e-mail address, along with rates for her services, which ranged from 300 euros an hour to 2,100 euros for a full day for international clients; Brussels clients would be charged 200 euros an hour and 350 euros for two hours with the 30-year-old, police said.

The alleged prostitute kept a diary on her website informing potential clients about her itinerary so that she could efficiently book appointments both at home and abroad, according to police, whose attention was attracted by an entry for January 12 and 13 stating: “Meet me in Athens.”

A Greek policeman posing as a potential customer used the contact details provided on the website to book an appointment with the woman, who was arrested on January 4 when she arrived in Athens.

 

[dann]

If you are in a really difficult period of your life you cannot become a doctor or a lawyer or a stock market broker.

Couldn't agree more. It does, however, depend on what kind of difficulty and what kind of life ...

Becoming a lawyer is much more difficult than opening your legs for money.

Difficult? Sure! Pleasurable? I doubt it.

Many women and I am talking about young and good looking women prefer to go wash dishes when they are in a challenging situation than becoming prostitutes.

I think that you misunderstand the argument. Nobody claimed that poverty forces people to choose prostitution to earn a living.

All I want to say is that what you do when you are in a difficult situation speaks volumes about your character.

So prostitutes are lowlifes - and dishwashers the ones with moral integrity?

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dann: "I was also a college student some years ago, and I can think of a third category: the ones who were able to buy expensive clothes and have their credit-card debts covered because they had wealthy and generous parents (or used to have wealthy parent who were now deceased). But then again: that was not a category that ever even considered becoming prostitutes - mainly because they never had to worry seriously about expenses."
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I am sorry but I miss the point in this argument. What do you mean?

You miss the point because you are so preoccupied with the question of character. There are some people who become neither prostitutes nor dishwashers, not because of their moral integrity, but simply because they are never faced with the choice between the two miserable alternatives! Also: There is a huge difference between being a student of law in a tight spot, "a challenging situation", and being faced with dish washing as the career of a lifetime. And the difference is not one of character.

 

[dann]

Elite prostitute
A 36-year-old Bulgarian prostitute who allegedly advertised her costly services over the Internet was arrested in an Athens hotel on Tuesday by a policeman posing as a prospective client. According to police, the unnamed woman had promoted herself as a high-class “escort” on her site, which included details of her services, costing as much as 30,000 euros.

It is not at all difficult to offer services over the internet costing as much as 100,000 euros for a weekend. They don't even have to be sexual services, you can offer anything you like. The difficulty is finding somebody who is willing to pay the amount.
Don't believe everything you find on the internet!

 

[Jas]

I know quite a few people who work as escorts, strippers, and prostitutes.

The prostitutes, the ones who hang out on the sidewalks, generally don't do so well. The vast majority of them, while they actually gross a fair bit of cash, use it to support their crack habit (or their pimp). Same thing for the boys, however they generally aren't as 'obvious' as the girls, most people wouldn't be able to tell them from the other guy walking down the street in birkenstocks. they tend to hide a lot too, because (at least in Calgary), some people find it quite amusing to go to the gay stroll and beat then up.

Same deal with a lot of the strippers. There aren't that many stripping their way through college. Some of them try, but most of them become addicted to the money and the hours (not to mention a lot of cocaine), and end up dropping out school, if they were ever there in the first place. As far as boyfriends go, the guys you meet generally aren't that great. There are quite a few exceptions to this though, but the majority don't do so well.

As far as escorts go, a few good friends of mine have been employed in that profession. The boys make WAY more than the girls, but they have to deal with nastier clients. Most of the time the girls don't have to sleep with their clients either, one friend of mine figured that she maybe slept with 20% of them, mainly only the regulars, or the 18 year olds. Her boyfriend thought she was the bookkeeper (or something like that) for the agency. She said that most of her clients just wanted company, and when she got the really 'gross' guys, she felt more sorry for them than repulsed. Most of her friends from the agency though did a LOT of drugs though. A lot of clients request girls that they can do drugs with.

I figure one's reason for becoming a prostitute (or whatever) really depend on the person, and their situation, and you would have to be a pretty strong/smart person to keep your head through it.

 

[gnome]

I didn't think "Pretty Woman" was disgusting... in fact I'll freely admit I enjoyed it. I don't have a problem with it being unrealistic, it practically screams at the audience that it's a FRICKING FAIRY TALE.

Anyone that would actually be fooled into thinking it represents reality has a lot bigger problems than looking up to Julia Roberts' character.

 

[WildCat]

The story leaked because the father fainted and they had to call an ambulance.

That's not why the ambulance was needed. What happened was he called her a two-bit whore, and she hit him over the head w/ a sack of quarters.

 

[dann]

It's interesting that someone mentions the movie Pretty Woman. The NYT did a feature article for its Sunday magazine on the global slave trade and sex industry. Many women in Eastern Europe seeking/forced to become mail-order-brides DO apparently believe that it's not so bad, and they explicitly compare themselves to Julia Roberts in the movie.

(Did you actually enjoy that crappy movie?!!)

 

[El Greco]

It is not at all difficult to offer services over the internet costing as much as 100,000 euros for a weekend. They don't even have to be sexual services, you can offer anything you like. The difficulty is finding somebody who is willing to pay the amount.
Don't believe everything you find on the internet!

First of all, this wasn't my quote, it was the police's report and after all, this is how much she was asking.

And I never said that she had as many clients as Amazon does, so I don't understand your comment. Apparently you seem to believe that there are absolutely no clients who would pay 30,000 for one weekend ? Is this what you believe ?

 

[RPG Advocate]

Thinking that elimination of poverty will eliminate prostitution is extremely naive and demonstrative of a basic ignorance of ecnomics. The only way to eliminate prostitution would be to eliminate demand for prostitution (like THAT'S ever going to happen!). Even in a completely deregulated sex market, the equillibrium price for sex acts would probably be high enough that an independent escort could live well above the poverty line. I do, however, think the prevelence of streetwalkers would drop with the poverty rate.

I also can't believe that in this day and age, we're still placing moral significance on what one chooses to do with one's body. As far as I'm concenred, even if someone stood on a busy street with a placard reading "WILL F*** ANYONE! JUST ASK!" (and actually was doing so just for the asking), what that person was doing would have no moral significance either way. It's just someone who wants to engage in a consensual activity, as far as I'm concerned. Adding money to the equation doesn't change that.

Most of the time the girls don't have to sleep with their clients either, one friend of mine figured that she maybe slept with 20% of them, mainly only the regulars, or the 18 year olds. Her boyfriend thought she was the bookkeeper (or something like that) for the agency. She said that most of her clients just wanted company

Are you serious? I freely admit I've considered hiring a prosititute(haven't gone through with it, still might in the future), but given the prices escorts charge, I would certainly want to have sex with someone I hired. I wonder why those people who are willing to pay $200/hr+. for company don't just join a dating service. You would probably get more minutes of company per dollar by doing that.

 

[dann]

First of all, this wasn't my quote, it was the police's report and after all, this is how much she was asking.

Sorry. I know the quotation was just posted by you. I didn't mean to imply that you wrote it.

And I never said that she had as many clients as Amazon does, so I don't understand your comment. Apparently you seem to believe that there are absolutely no clients who would pay 30,000 for one weekend ? Is this what you believe ?

I have no idea! (And I don't even want to know for what exactly!) But I think that you could probably get ten Bulgarian prostitutes for three months for that amount.

 

[El Greco]

I also can't believe that in this day and age, we're still placing moral significance on what one chooses to do with one's body. As far as I'm concenred, even if someone stood on a busy street with a placard reading "WILL F*** ANYONE! JUST ASK!" (and actually was doing so just for the asking), what that person was doing would have no moral significance either way. It's just someone who wants to engage in a consensual activity, as far as I'm concerned. Adding money to the equation doesn't change that.

It's just another fine feature of religion: Demeaning people for the way they choose to dispose themselves. Fortunately, Christianity has left behind the Holy Inquisition days but will still not let it go completely (hence the "moral significance"). Other cultures still stone prostitutes.

 

[El Greco]

But I think that you could probably get ten Bulgarian prostitutes for three months for that amount.

FWIW, for that amount (and less) you could actually buy a Bulgarian prostitute and have her work for you.