Is homosexuality genetic?

This should put it in perspective

I'm reminded of an article I once read about researchers that could make rats gay by giving them hormones.
The researchers stressed that the experiment didn't describe relationships between people.

No **** Sherlock.
My gay friends living together for fifteen years and sharing their lives isn't the same as a rodent climbing on top of another rodent? You don't say.

But recognising that there are biological drivers behind human behaviour doesn't diminish love, or other forms of complex behaviour. In other words: what your neocortex does with that biological driver.

I know that I care for my children because people who care for their children increase their survival rate, thus creating more people who care for their children. It is an evolutionary advantage.
Does that describe my whole relationship with my children? I don't think so. That goes much deeper.

This should put it in perspective.

Ask yourself the question Eddie Dane as to whether or not heterosexuality is "genetic". If your answer is neither yes nor no, based on the fact the question doesn't really make any sense to begin with, then you would have to conclude the same is true in asking the question about homosexuality being "genetic". The answer is NO because the question is meaningless.

That whole angle, homosexuality is in the DNA, grew out of the insane discrimination still evident in our community. If one could effectively argue "genetics!!!!", the argument goes, then the "guilty parties", the gay women and men, were in a sense exculpated. It's not their fault. This is what is at root of the "genetic defense" for homosexuality. It is not something grounded in science, but rather grounded in our culture's harmful bias toward gay women and men, and a need for a response to that bias. The genetic response is understandable viewed in this sense, the need for SOME ANSWER, some defensible rationale in support of gay men and women given the discrimination, but this doesn't make the DNA argument true, or even partially true. It is, as emphasized, meaningless. If one is gay, so be it, so it is, and no "defense" should be or is required.

So the whole genetics thing is quite literally silly. Of course it is not their "fault", the fault of a woman or man loving a member of the same sex in a deep romantic sense. This is fundamentally who they are, and appeals to genetics are nothing short of ridiculous, though one can easily see rationale for such arguments, the root of the dynamic.

If you are straight, ask yourself if your "straightness" is in your genes. I suspect your answer will be, "NO, and I don't even really understand the question."
 
I think you are great Dessi

I'm not sure if there needs to be a comma between the words in the phrase "romance" Dessi. Is "romance" in that sentence an adjective or a noun?

If noun: I think almost everyone agrees that romance isn't the slosh of chemicals in your head giving rise to the feeling, there's intimacy, companionship, affection and many other things tied to it. Some people will go even further and attach a whole set of poetic ideals and abstractions to it, maybe even characterize it with ineffable awe, but I think those abstractions are intensely personal and vary with each person's experiences and poetic sensibilities.

If adjective: "Romantic Dessi" doesn't exist :) I am sexually attracted to women, but almost entirely aromantic. And pretty much habitually single. Its not that I'm voluntarily or involuntarily alone, its that I have no want or need for partnership at all.

I think you are great Dessi, but I wish you'd grab one of those gals you are so fond of and lay a big fat one on her lips, and then find out what makes her world turn. Betcha' you' appreciate it and find it meaningful, rewarding.

But what do I know, I have the "straight genes". So maybe I am off target with my guess there.
 
Last edited:
Ask yourself the question Eddie Dane as to whether or not heterosexuality is "genetic". If your answer is neither yes nor no, based on the fact the question doesn't really make any sense to begin with, then you would have to conclude the same is true in asking the question about homosexuality being "genetic". The answer is NO because the question is meaningless.

Um... no?

The question is not meaningless, whether or not you believe the answer is yes or no. You may argue that the answer to the question is obvious, but not that the question itself has no meaning. "Is homosexuality genetic?" is no less meaningful than "Is the speed of light in a vacuum constant to all observers?".

You can't just dismiss the question by calling it meaningless.

If you are straight, ask yourself if your "straightness" is in your genes. I suspect your answer will be, "NO, and I don't even really understand the question."

You suspect wrong.
 
Fair enough, though I suspect most would answer no.

Um... no?

The question is not meaningless, whether or not you believe the answer is yes or no. You may argue that the answer to the question is obvious, but not that the question itself has no meaning. "Is homosexuality genetic?" is no less meaningful than "Is the speed of light in a vacuum constant to all observers?".

You can't just dismiss the question by calling it meaningless.



You suspect wrong.

Fair enough, though I suspect most would answer "NO".

My point was/is that I believe most people would not view their heterosexual orientation as something determined by their genes. An ultra complex mix of various and sundry alleles of one type or another at least influencing a man to seek romance with a woman or a woman to seek romance with a man as opposed to seeking romance/love with a member of the same sex would strike most biologists as flat out ridiculous, not to mention many informed people in the public at large.
 
Fair enough, though I suspect most would answer "NO".

You suspect wrong. And it's irrelevant anyway. What people think about it doesn't influence whether or not it's true.

An ultra complex mix of various and sundry alleles of one type or another at least influencing a man to seek romance with a woman or a woman to seek romance with a man as opposed to seeking romance/love with a member of the same sex would strike most biologists as flat out ridiculous

Wow. You really know nothing about biology, do you?
 
Are they certain genes that could contribute to later changes in the amount of a persons sexual hormones like testosterone?
 
We know that even if homosexuality is under genetic influence that it does not appear to be immediately hereditary - the biological children of homosexuals usually turn out straight. Its quite possible with advances in cloning and reproductive science that same sex reproduction (already facilitated in mice) could become a reality by this time next century despite ethical objections - if this were to happen, could it increase the incidence of or concentrate allelic combinations that promote homosexuality ? Just a curiosity.
 
Testosterone would affect a person's sex drive, but not their orientation

Are they certain genes that could contribute to later changes in the amount of a persons sexual hormones like testosterone?

Testosterone would affect a person's sex drive, but not their sexual orientation. Can you believe that the British convicted the great mathematician, code breaker and patriot Alan Turing of commiting "acts of gross indecency with other male persons" and treated his homosexuality with estrogen?

It's true. Not that estrogen is a treatment for being gay, but that people were foolish enough to think so.

Sexual preference is not about physiology. Chemistry does not inform our decision with respect to whom we should and will come to love.
 
Last edited:
We know that even if homosexuality is under genetic influence that it does not appear to be immediately hereditary - the biological children of homosexuals usually turn out straight.
I'd like to see that study.

Sexual preference is not about physiology. Chemistry does not inform our decision with respect to whom we should and will come to love.
Actually it does.
 
By sexuality I mean sexual orientation.

I'd like to see that study.


Actually it does.

By sexuality I mean sexual orientation. I'd like to see a good study, speculation does not count. There must be statistical significance, gay men and /or gay women have more/less of X,Y,Z. Heterosexuals have more/less of X,Y,Z. Present the evidence.
 
Last edited:
Your brain isn't just where your thoughts come from. It's where your emotions come from too. Love is no exception.

You can see this with antidepressants, which affect neurotransmitters, which can cause a loss of interest in sex.
http://www.healthyplace.com/sex/medications/antidepressants-and-libido/menu-id-66/

Or you could look at the brain activity of people in love.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-05/aps-lai053105.php

Do you believe in something like a soul being responsible? I was wondering before but wasn't sure.
 
Because antidepressants have an impact on emotion in some sense, means what?

Your brain isn't just where your thoughts come from. It's where your emotions come from too. Love is no exception.

You can see this with antidepressants, which affect neurotransmitters, which can cause a loss of interest in sex.
http://www.healthyplace.com/sex/medications/antidepressants-and-libido/menu-id-66/

Or you could look at the brain activity of people in love.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-05/aps-lai053105.php

Do you believe in something like a soul being responsible? I was wondering before but wasn't sure.

Because antidepressants have an impact on emotion in some sense, means what? Not that emotion is fundamentally about chemicals.
 
Because antidepressants have an impact on emotion in some sense, means what? Not that emotion is fundamentally about chemicals.

If a person's brain is no longer functioning (i.e. they're brain dead), do they still feel emotions? I think most people, and common sense, would say they don't, because brain function is necessary for emotions.

You seem to be saying that emotions come from somewhere else than the brain. What is that place? And why does it stop functioning when the brain stops functioning, or change when the brain is changed with chemicals?

From an earlier post:
If you are straight, ask yourself if your "straightness" is in your genes. I suspect your answer will be, "NO, and I don't even really understand the question."

I'm straight, and of course I'd answer yes. I can't ever remember choosing to be straight, any more than I can remember choosing my skin color or whether to be an introvert, so apparently I was born that way.

If it was a choice, I must have made it in the first couple of years before memories begin, which would be before one can really make conscious choices anyway, and certainly before one can make decisions that stick for 50 years. So being born that way seems the logical answer.
 
I don't think that sexuality is a binary state. It's not as simple as gay or not gay. I think it's a more complicated question than just whether you're attracted to people of the same sex. How attracted are you? How moved are you to act on your attractions? Is this attraction to the exclusion of people of the opposite sex? I think it's a gradation that people fall along, with several equilibria.

I think genetics can be a factor in where on that gradation you are most likely to fall, but it's a long way from being the only factor.
 
Because antidepressants have an impact on emotion in some sense, means what? Not that emotion is fundamentally about chemicals.
What do you think they are?

Do you think emotions are created by a soul, or something similar?

Please answer clearly.
 
Because antidepressants have an impact on emotion in some sense, means what? Not that emotion is fundamentally about chemicals.

This really seem like you are a dualist. There is very good evidence for brain damage or chemicals to dramatically change personality. So saying you regent this and it is all some immaterial effect is not supported by evidence.

If there was an antigay drug like there are anti physcotic drugs would that mean anything?
 

Back
Top Bottom