• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Is God evil?

Ali said:
Your prayer methodology is wrong!
Click to expand...

Did I call it, or did I call it?

When you pray you can’t expect anything from the Lord;
Click to expand...

And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" (Luke 11:5-13).

"And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him" (1 John 5:14-15).


"Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses" (Mark 11:24-16).

"If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you" (John 15:7).

"Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 18:19).

"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight" (1 John 3:22).

"And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive" (Matthew 21:22).

"Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them" (Mark 11:24).


Even if your prayer is acceptable to him and he doesn’t give you any gifts, you’ll have to continue to be obedient because that’s the whole purpose of man.
Click to expand...

"Gifts." I didn't want gifts. I didn't ask for ponies, or new clothes, or a nice house. I asked for the spousal abuse to stop. That's all. I just wanted the pain, the lovelessness, the hideous lonliness, humiliation, and control of my every move, thought, and deed to stop.

Gifts?




:):):)
Click to expand...

I'm going to be ill.
 
Slingblade FTW.
Click to expand...
Indeed.

Even if your prayer is acceptable to him and he doesn’t give you any gifts, you’ll have to continue to be obedient because that’s the whole purpose of man.
Click to expand...
"Gifts." I didn't want gifts. I didn't ask for ponies, or new clothes, or a nice house. I asked for the spousal abuse to stop. That's all. I just wanted the pain, the lovelessness, the hideous lonliness, humiliation, and control of my every move, thought, and deed to stop.
Click to expand...
But-- but-- a kid I know prayed for money and found a dollar bill on the street! Surely that's gotta count for something!

I hear ya, sling.

Your prayer methodology is wrong!
Click to expand...
Can you give me some evidence of this claim rather than just repeating yourself ad nauseum like some deranged cornered CT'er?

:):):)
Click to expand...
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I feel sort of stupid replying to something from four pages back, but I sort of need to vent.

Hamelekim said:
The Christian God is not evil.
Click to expand...
There is a great passage in the Bible that tells us to judge a tree by its fruits - so when Yahweh carries out genocide, causes natural disasters, and does other deeds clearly labeled as 'evil'...

When people have free will, they have a choice to do evil (go against the will of God) or do good (following God's law). What is God's law according to Christianity? Love your neighbour as you love yourself. You can't tell me if everyone did this that the world would be a worse place?
Click to expand...
No. Unfortunately, the Bible is more than a sentence long, and as such contain more laws than "love your neighbor as you would yourself" - these range from great to downright horrific.

Love your neighbor like yourself, Jesus raising the dead: Good law, good event.
You shall have no other gods before me, Moses massacring 3000 people for worshiping a golden calf: Bad law, evil action.

You can't blame God for the evil in the world, because God gave us all free will, he would be taking away that free will to interfere.
Click to expand...
You must really hate the police, taking away peoples' free will to be whatever they want, be it rapists, swindlers or bank robbers.

Of course, God also has his limits when it comes to allowing sin to exist. Hence why you eventually have the whole end time battle and final judgement.
Click to expand...
Destroying the world for evils which in our societies don't even merit the death sentence. Another example of evil which also happens to contradict "love your neighbor". Thank you for proving my point.

Personally, I'd rather follow God's law than man's.
Click to expand...
Including the part about stoning men who gather twigs on the Sabbath?

Don't download music, you're not allowed to drive without paying a monthly fee, no right to free speech, etc... There are countless stupid laws that man creates, like the spy laws in the US and Britian right now, which make the world a much worse place, and remove freedom.
Click to expand...
Unlike the good laws and philosophies man has created. Where in the Bible do you find freedom of religion, freedom of speech, democracy, abolishment of slavery, the Geneva Conventions and the Declaration of Human Rights?

Oh. You don't, since the Bible is in opposition to just about every single one of those.

My own personal opinion is that we are living in the last several decades of human history.
Click to expand...
My personal opinion is that you are wrong and that wishing for the end of the world and the deaths and tormenting of billions is downright sick.

Either we will go the way of the Transhumanists with the Singularity, or we are coming up on an end time scenario. I believe it is the latter personally, but then I'm a Christian.

So no, God is not evil.
Click to expand...
You believe Yahweh is going to throw the world into a state of horrific chaos... so He's not evil?

eh?
 
Last edited:
Mhm. You'd think that if they could let virgin girls live despite how horribly evil they were, they could've spared the little kids, too.
 
A few months ago I had an argument with a Calvinist on this very subject. I cited a verse in the bible which stated that God "makes" evil and therefore is evil if I take that to its logical conclusion. He responded by saying that my argument is a non-sequitor as God also makes mice but that does not make him a mouse. I in turn responded by explaining the differance between creation of objects, lifeforms, etc. and creating/causing/performing acts. We assign properties like good or bad based the effects of the actions of any individual and/or deity. If God does, in fact, knowingly make evils then he is evil by his own actions and the effects they have.
 
Let's say I create a new lifeform. I know certain Christians will chime in and state how this doesn't count for some arbitrary reason, but the rest of you, please bear with me. Let's say I take a hostile Rottweiler and breed some puppies from it. I select the puppy that is the least disposed to like humans and breed from that one. I continue doing this until I have a new overly aggressive breed of Rottweilers with a particular dislike of humans. I let one loose upon the neighbourhood, where it proceeds to hunt down and kill a seven years old girl. When her parents call the police and I'm dragged off to court, I ask to be exonerated because the animal did, after all, have free will, and that if I kept it on a leash I'd be limiting its freedom to utilize free will in whatever way it saw fit.

Seriously, I've never, ever understood this devotion Christians have to using "free will" in all kinds of bizarre ways when it comes to excusing their god from responsibility for His actions.

"The root problem with Christianity is that their God is supposed to be all powerful and benevolent it sounds like an easy sell but when life turns completely to ◊◊◊◊ you have to come up with all sorts of whacked out reasons for why kindly old Jehovah saw fit to run over little Timmy with a combine harvester and leave him in a vegetative state of limbless agony for 18 years" -- Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
Click to expand...
Gotta love Yahtzee:D.
 
The Lord answers prayers:
When a whole continent is under oppression for a long time (say more than 40 years) and all the people in that country keep praying for help from the Almighty, then yes the prayer will be answered.
Otherwise if a person is suffering because of say some marital problem then he’ll have to be prophet for the Lord to step in.
 
Ali said:
The Lord answers prayers:
When a whole continent is under oppression for a long time (say more than 40 years) and all the people in that country keep praying for help from the Almighty, then yes the prayer will be answered.
Otherwise if a person is suffering because of say some marital problem then he’ll have to be prophet for the Lord to step in.
Click to expand...

That's not what the bible says.

One of you is wrong.
 
slingblade said:
That's not what the bible says.

One of you is wrong.
Click to expand...


I’m afraid I’m not really interested in the bible or any other book, what interests me is fact and logic.
But please tell me what the bible says.
 
I did. #362. If you won't even read replies which quote you and address your "arguments," why are you here? We already have a resident Conversionista.
 
Last edited:
slingblade said:
I did. #362. If you won't even read replies which quote you and address your "arguments," why are you here? We already have a resident Conversionista.
Click to expand...


I did read the passage but unfortunately my memory didn’t register it at the time of writing: after all we’re only human....
:):)
 
Ali said:
I did read the passage but unfortunately my memory didn’t register it at the time of writing: after all we’re only human....
:):)
Click to expand...

This highway leads to the shadowy tip of reality: you're on a through route to the land of the different, the bizarre, the unexplainable...Go as far as you like on this road. Its limits are only those of mind itself. Ladies and Gentlemen, you're entering the wondrous dimension of imagination. Next stop....The Twilight Zone.



Now then, this:

Ali said:
The Lord answers prayers:
When a whole continent is under oppression for a long time (say more than 40 years) and all the people in that country keep praying for help from the Almighty, then yes the prayer will be answered.
Otherwise if a person is suffering because of say some marital problem then he’ll have to be prophet for the Lord to step in.
Click to expand...

How do you know this? Where'd you get those notions? That's not what the bible says, so in which holy book will I find your ideas?
 
Ali said:
I did read the passage but unfortunately my memory didn’t register it at the time of writing: after all we’re only human....
:):)
Click to expand...

At the moment, I'm less interested in your thoughts about humans than I am in your thoughts about canines.
 
Ali said:
The Lord answers prayers:
When a whole continent is under oppression for a long time (say more than 40 years) and all the people in that country keep praying for help from the Almighty, then yes the prayer will be answered.
Click to expand...

Can you give some examples?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom