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Is free will a paranormal concept?

Wouldn't proof of free will be as simple as being in a house with a fully-stocked pantry and refrigerator, being hungry and choosing not to eat for 24 hours?
And where did that 'thought' originate based on your person maximum-perceived-benefit algorithm? Who stuck that in there? And how does that 'thought' communicate with what we perceive as 'brain/neural systems' hardware?

Far too obvious.
;) No. Just not unanswerable.
 
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Straw man. In what way would free will invalidate the study of human behaviour? That the brain inherently retains a mechanism to resist its internal biases, however strong, does not prevent research into these biases. That the probability of a particular response never rises to 1, or falls to 0, does not stop you studying it. In fact, even without free will, the brain may still ignore any strength of bias, and respond or not respond regardless of whatever the circumstances driving it. A few molecules of GABA diffusing in the wrong direction and suddenly the brain comes down on the wrong side of a tipping point and the predicted behaviour goes *poof*. Free will suggests that we cannot study ourselves about as much as Brownian motion does.

Nope, not a straw man. The counter-arguments you bring up all rely on random processes, not willful ones. In the aggregate, random processes are quite predictable (ask Las Vegas).

1) Quite a lot of quantum behaviour has no causes; science still studies quantum behaviour. Regardless of whether free will exists or not, not all psychological behaviours will have precise causes because of the stochastic nature of many neurophysiological mechanisms. Of course, psychology no more needs precise causes that QCD needs a mechanism to predict particle decay.
At the level of analysis we are looking at (human behavior), quantum effects are irrelevant; even if we look at your "few molecules of GABA", we are orders of magnitude away from worrying about quantum fluctuations. At our level of analysis, we are perfectly justified in looking for causes. And "precise causes" is an interesting phrase...we are looking for actual causes. This means we are behaving quite differently than, say, a court of law looking for liability. We are not looking for "the cause" of a behavior, but for all the factors which play a causal role. Looking at, say, perceptual fields, where we can have electrodes measuring single neurons and their immediate neighbors, and see exitatory and inhibitory signals to each other as well as signals on down the optic nerve. The extraordinarily complex nature of nerve interaction (thousands of synapses for a given neuron!) may render it practically impossible to understand, but certainly not impossible to understand in principle. (Oh, and of course, we have many different levels of analysis to work with. As Corey will confirm, it is quite useful to look at the level of the behaving organism in its environment. Rather than trying to reduce our behavior to the actions of quarks, it is pragmatic to actually study...our behavior.)

Free will, however, is assumed to be neither determined nor random, but willful. (I reviewed an intro textbook where the author, a prominent physiological psychologist, had written that [paraphrasing] "when sufficient neurotransmitters have stimulated the dendrites of a neuron, it decides to send an action potential down its axon..." The key phrase here is "it decides"; it implied that the neuron, under the exact same circumstances, could have decided not to. If that were the case, there would be no systematic neuron function to study, and there would be no prominent physiological psychologists. Oh...they changed the wording before publication.)
2) Science is constrained to provide naturalistic explanations for phenomena, and not explanations derived from what we already know. Any putative mechanism for true free-will will be required to demonstrate its validity same as everything else. That we know of no such mechanism is not evidence that there is no mechanism. Claiming that the existence of any such mechanism invalidates science is not only an argument from adverse consequences, it is wrong.
I am not claiming that the existence of such a mechanism invalidates science; I am claiming that the assumption of such a phenomenon is a dead end. We assume "no free will" because free will is neither random, which we could study, nor determined, which we could study. If our assumption is wrong, it will have to be abandoned. Thus far, it holds up nicely.

In order to argue for free will, people in this thread and others are being forced to re-define the concept. A free will that allows you to always choose what determinism would have forced you to choose anyway is not our understanding of free will (and is superfluous, and has no explanatory power). A free will that is unconscious is not our understanding of free will. Our "free will" is seen as a conscious director of our behavior, free from influences in our environment (see the "choosing not to eat" example). In casual observation, it would be impossible to distinguish true free will from simple ignorance of causal variables. Experimentally, we can manipulate variables and demonstrate changes in behavior without conscious awareness. That is, we know that at least some of our behavior is determined and not freely chosen. So, absolute free will, as it has been traditionally defined, is out. We are left, as I said, with a "free will of the gaps" that is shrinking by the day. The "at least some" gets larger every day. Our struggle to preserve some sort of coherent concept of free will, and the contortions we go through to hold on to that concept, recall the same dismay that we were not the center of the universe, nor god's special creation. The creationists are still fighting that one; I don't expect the defenders of "free will" to go gentle into that dark night anytime soon.
 
And where did that 'thought' originate based on your person maximum-perceived-benefit algorithm? Who stuck that in there? And how does that 'thought' communicate with what we perceive as 'brain/neural systems' hardware?
Heh. I would have chosen a different just-so story, about the power of social reinforcers, but whatever...
;) No. Just unanswerable.
...I agree. Too many uncontrolled variables. Heck, even Freud could "explain" it.
 
You're assuming that just because something is predictable that it isn't a free choice.

If you know that your buddy is going to open all the windows in the morning and close them at night...because he always does it...does that suddenly mean that it's not something he chooses to do? Of course not.

But that is not absolutely predictable, only probable. You cannot predict that one day he will suddenly decide not to do this. If something is entirely mechanical you can predict exactly what it will do in the future, so it can't have any choice. Somthing being unpredictable doesn't always mean it is a free choice, but something being predictable does always mean that it is not a free choice.

2) free will implies that thought is not produced by the physical brain

No. At the most fundamental level the behaviour of the particles making up the brain are probablistic and chaotic. This does not neccessarily mean that free will exists, but it does mean that it is possible for our thoughts to be unpredictable, which could mean either free will or just something that appears to be free will.

I think Azimov's psychohistory in the Foundation series covers the idea of predicting human behaviour quite well., where large groups of people can be predicted statistically, but indiviuals cannot be. We can do this to a certain extent now, such as knowing the majority of people will turn right on entering a shop, but not being able to know which way any specific individual will turn.

I think the question of why individual behaviour is unpredictable is probably impossible to answer, and in any case is largely irrelevant. Whether we have free will or just an inherent randomness from basic physical processes, the same observations of unpredictable individual behaviour and probablistic group behaviour will be seen. If we can't tell the difference then does it really matter?
 
Nope, not a straw man. The counter-arguments you bring up all rely on random processes, not willful ones. In the aggregate, random processes are quite predictable (ask Las Vegas).

So might human behaviour be, without being entirely deterministic (which it plainly is not), or entirely non-willful.

The straw man is that you paint free-will as some omnipotent arbiter of behaviour rather than part of the processes of the brain. The existence of free-will does not invalidate bias, false perception, or reflex, instinctive, learned or reinforced behaviour. At no point would free will stop you from investigating the causes of a behaviour, however it may mean that the causes of a behaviour cannot be completely described. BFD, the same is true of any stochastic process.
 
So might human behaviour be, without being entirely deterministic (which it plainly is not), or entirely non-willful.

The straw man is that you paint free-will as some omnipotent arbiter of behaviour rather than part of the processes of the brain. The existence of free-will does not invalidate bias, false perception, or reflex, instinctive, learned or reinforced behaviour.

What is a brain, if it is not a complex mix of just the things you mentioned. Where does free will fit in?
 
Bias, false perception, or reflex, instinctive, learned or reinforced behaviour, and free will. (<--- There.)

Non-answer. Everytime I read one of these thread, free-will is always circularly defined.

It would great for us layman, if someone could define it non-circularly.

Otherwise, to me, it's a term with about as much meaning as God.
 
In order to argue for free will, people in this thread and others are being forced to re-define the concept. A free will that allows you to always choose what determinism would have forced you to choose anyway is not our understanding of free will (and is superfluous, and has no explanatory power).
Being one of those who re-defines the concept, I think I should say that I do not think it is superfluous, and I do think it has explanatory power! My re-defined free will is simply what we experience as free will, the higher expression of accumulated effect of all the little deterministic influences. It has explanatory power because you can use it as a short-hand to explain why people are making a non-obvious choice, for which you would otherwise have to know the entire neurological setup of their brains with all possible external influences.

I think we should continue to use the concept of free will because we feel it as free - when we do not otherwise know what caused it. (Free will of the gaps anyone :) )
 
What do you mean with "which it plainly is not"? I do not see it so plainly!

Some of the physical processes of the brain are stochastic (i.e. random or probabilistic, determined by the laws of statistics and probability), some are chaotic (develop in a way that is unpredictable with respect to small pertubations of the initial conditions).
 
Some of the physical processes of the brain are stochastic (i.e. random or probabilistic, determined by the laws of statistics and probability), some are chaotic (develop in a way that is unpredictable with respect to small pertubations of the initial conditions).

Which ones? You don't have to give a detailed explaination, just the general categories.

If they are random, that doesn't seem to imply they have intent? Still try to figure where the "will" in free will comes in.
 
Being one of those who re-defines the concept, I think I should say that I do not think it is superfluous, and I do think it has explanatory power! My re-defined free will is simply what we experience as free will, the higher expression of accumulated effect of all the little deterministic influences. It has explanatory power because you can use it as a short-hand to explain why people are making a non-obvious choice, for which you would otherwise have to know the entire neurological setup of their brains with all possible external influences.

I think we should continue to use the concept of free will because we feel it as free - when we do not otherwise know what caused it. (Free will of the gaps anyone :) )
Hmmm... Taking your example, if you call that "explanatory", it is a textbook example of what Skinner called "explanatory fiction"; its "explanation" is filling in for either a very complex explanation, or an honest "I don't know", or both. Not so much explanation as smokescreen.
I agree with you wholeheartedly, that this is the way we do use the word. If we all recognised this, we'd be better off. We would no longer have to try to invoke, say, quantum mechanics, or microtubules, or homunculi, in order to "explain how free will works". We would recognise that it is shorthand, as accurate as "sunrise", describing how it seems to us but not pretending to be more than that description.
 

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