Is ESP More Probable Than Advanced Alien Life?

Daylightstar said:
Fudbucker, the answer to this thead's title:
"Is ESP More Probable Than Advanced Alien Life?"
..... is clearly: no.

Do you have a personal interest in ESP?
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I agree the answer is no. I think they're equal.

I don't have much interest in ESP. Some things have happened to me, like most people, but they could be explained by coincidence or my own fallible memory. I'm agnostic about it.

I don't think the lack of results in testing count for much. If I had a paranormal ability, I don't think I would advertise it. I can't assume other people would broadcast the information.
 
zengirl said:
Esp and aliens both exist.....the aliens use esp to talk to humans most of the time-----"Ufo Crash in Brazil"-----The doctors worked on a grey alien's broken leg while armed guards watched.---------------"We slowly approached the table. When I saw the individual lying there I was in a state of shock. It was far from a human face.-----The patient was apparently awake. It mainly stared upward at the ceiling. The blood was dark red. We also found the blood would coagulate immediately upon release from a blood vessel. It's respirations were shallow, as if it needed very little air to sustain life.------(surgery was finished)------------My eyes caught the gaze of the being. They were pulling me in deeper and deeper. All at once giant portions of information came pounding into my head. Over and over ,and over, like someone pounding me over the head with a hammer. He downloaded a tremendous amount of knowledge into my head. It caused me to have headaches lasting over two weeks. -----------------Essentially he told me his race felt very sorry for the human beings for basically two reasons. The first is that all humans have the same potential and abilities to perform the very same things his race could do. He told me they either individually or joined together could produce all the healing necessary to repair their bodies. The second reason they felt sorry for us was we did not seem to realize we were spiritual beings only living in a temporary shell and we were totally disconnected from our spiritual self.----------We checked on the patient from time to time. The wound healed completely in less than 24 hours. This was also true of the bone."
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See, there you go. Confirmation of both.
 
zengirl said:
Actual aliens...no one has been able to explain this video-----http://youtu.be/GAuYyFm6UWA
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It's considered bad form around here by many people to post bare youtube links with no description of what we're about to see.

Many people ignore posts that contain little more than youtube links. You post is an excellent example why.
 
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Daylightstar said:
It's also unnecessary.
If there is a claim for the existence of something, than the burden of proof or evidence is on the claimant.
You basically have to show that the subject of the claim exists.
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I agree with this, but that's not the claim I'm making. I'm not saying that either ESP or alien life exists. I'm saying they possibly exist, which is a much, much different claim.

There is a difference between "X exists" and "X possibly exists". The former requires evidence. The latter does not.

To put it another way, the theist claims god exists. The agnostic simply claims god is possible. The burden of proof is on the theist.

I have been consistently agnostic about both ESP and alien life.
 
Didn't know you were so timid....it is a KGB video of gray aliens walking down a hall, being measured, sitting in a chair....didn't mean to frighten you....it's ok to look at the alien video....they don't hurt anyone in it...
 
Fudbucker said:
I agree the answer is no. I think they're equal.

I don't have much interest in ESP. Some things have happened to me, like most people, but they could be explained by coincidence or my own fallible memory. I'm agnostic about it.

I don't think the lack of results in testing count for much. If I had a paranormal ability, I don't think I would advertise it. I can't assume other people would broadcast the information.
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If you think they're equal, then the op question is worded strangely.
I suppose it's possible that you are a staunch believer in ESP.

As far as your claim for probabilities for each items in the op question is concerned, you haven't actually demonstrated that they are equal.
You've simply defined them as such.
 
Fudbucker said:
I agree with this, but that's not the claim I'm making. I'm not saying that either ESP or alien life exists. I'm saying they possibly exist, which is a much, much different claim.

There is a difference between "X exists" and "X possibly exists". The former requires evidence. The latter does not.

To put it another way, the theist claims god exists. The agnostic simply claims god is possible. The burden of proof is on the theist.

I have been consistently agnostic about both ESP and alien life.
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Your claimed claim does not help in any way whatsoever.
 
ehcks said:
ESP is essentially magic.
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Not really. It could have a physical mechanism we haven't discovered. Just because a phenomenon is not understood does not make it magical.

Alien life is an extension of the life we already know exists and has traveled off of its own planet and is therefore itself alien.
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I'm not sure what the bolded part means.

Alien life might not be an extension of life we already know exists. All life currently observed is carbon-based. Does that mean that alien life must be carbon based, or that non-carbon based alien life has a lower probability of existing than carbon-based?
 
some can't see the forest for the trees....I imagine doubters would be in front of an alien and say...."Can you give me evidence that you are real?"....
 
Fudbucker;10387440[HILITE said:
]It IS possible there's a heard of T-Rex's in Brazil.[/HILITE] It's a logically coherent inductive claim. All such claims are possible. I wouldn't give good odds on it, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
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No, we looked.
 
zengirl said:
Didn't know you were so timid ....it is a KGB video of gray aliens walking down a hall, being measured, sitting in a chair....didn't mean to frighten you....it's ok to look at the alien video....they don't hurt anyone in it...
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How do you know the provenance of this youtube? IOW, how do you know it's a KGB video?

BTW, Skeptical <> frightened <> timid. I've just been around a while. Better luck next time.
 
Fudbucker said:
Not really. It could have a physical mechanism we haven't discovered. Just because a phenomenon is not understood does not make it magical.
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No such phenomenon has been established to actually occur, there's nothing there which evades understanding.
 
zengirl said:
some can't see the forest for the trees....I imagine doubters would be in front of an alien and say...."Can you give me evidence that you are real?"....
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Great, let's test that. Could you arrange for me to be put in front of an actual alien?
 
Fudbucker said:
Because ESP isn't logically contradictory. You can claim that it is, but I would like to see the argument for why, for example, reading someone's mind is logically impossible.
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Reading someone's mind is not Esp, we all do that all the time, ESP is the mechanism by which it is meant to happen and our science and understanding of the world have now ruled out the possibility of those mechanism.
 
it's an alleged KGB video and a good one...no one has explained it....tsig-----remote viewers who were trained by the govt have written many books about their experiences. ---remote viewing----using psychic senses to view any object , person, event in the past, present or future------they were surprised to learn that anyone can learn how to use their psychic abilities.
 
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