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Is entropy a misundertood concept?

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This is a really short thread, compared to my superfluously-long threads i have made in the past... so.. is, entropy, the measure of ''disorder'' misunderstood?

It must be. I entice this conversation because of my magnaminity of percpetion, and why these gifts are percieved to me under a direct relation of understanding a bulk of information. If at this precise moment, these words mean a literal sense, then surely these words are not meaningless? If at this
very moment i believe that the universe is more ordered now than what it was approximately 15,000 million years ago, then i logically argue a conceptual basis unto which entropy gives a continuous order, in comparrison to a disorder, for if things had truely became more disorded, then the laws appparent
today giving rise to life as we know it, and that life seeing such an order, would need to be an illusion respective to their frames of reference.
 
You know actually, if you apply the statistics under an infinte solution, you are given an entropy evaluated as:

[latex]S^{\infty} = -k \sum_{i=1}{\infty} P_i In P_i[/latex]

In this equation, we have an infinite distribution of entropy which is equivalent to the total entropy at the given boundary of the integral of [latex]\hat{S}^{\infty}[/latex], if it actually has any integral domain.
 
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yes. I misunderstand it.

That's an interesting equation Sing. I don't quite get it though. How would you have an integral domain here?
 
Unless we are actually applying this on a cosmological scale, the entropy will be reduced to being finite, if there is any time-symmetry, such as an Omega Point, where time itself is reduced back to where it had originated, (the big bang).

The domain itself would need to be then a mathematical assertion which is equivalent to the description of the density solution given in normal copenhagen statistics [latex]\int_{\Omega} |\psi|^2[/latex] - so a cosmological definition of an infinite density can be understood when the integral is in respect to the change.
 
Why, for what are you debating against?

This is what i hate about certain users here. They declare psuedo without any contrbutions to their own claims.
 
Don't step on my blue psuedo shoes, there.

It must be. I entice this conversation because of my magnaminity of percpetion, and why these gifts are percieved to me under a direct relation of understanding a bulk of information. If at this precise moment, these words mean a literal sense, then surely these words are not meaningless? If at this
very moment i believe that the universe is more ordered now than what it was approximately 15,000 million years ago, then i logically argue a conceptual basis unto which entropy gives a continuous order, in comparrison to a disorder, for if things had truely became more disorded, then the laws appparent
today giving rise to life as we know it, and that life seeing such an order, would need to be an illusion respective to their frames of reference.
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~Enigma~ is obviously referring to your superfuosity of verbage there. Instead of trying to empress all the philosophers in the crowd, why not try to couch your questions in a scientific framework? Entropy is, after all, a scientific, not philosophical, quantity. Extend from the second law of thermodynamics, if you will.

And what the hell is the summation of infinity?
 
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i believe that the universe is more ordered now than what it was approximately 15,000 million years ago
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WOAH!

Before you can say that you need to define "ordered".

what do you mean?
 
Relativity due to the observer, and due ultimately to relative experience.

Since now there are about 6 billion people on earth, all agreeing to the same reality, the order of percpetion seems constructed well on the proton and electron scale. Therefore, the order giving rise to a complex structure such as consciousness and which complex structure this consciousness perceives, is unique, as to even say that the order perceived now, than what we would be able to earlier in the universe, must be more defined.
 
Relativity due to the observer, and due ultimately to relative experience.
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There was no observer back then.

I argue, I think the universe was more ordered before the big bang, a singularity together meaning everything was as one.

That is more "ordered" in my opinion than the broken mess that the universe is today.

Speaking of, how do we know that there was no observers before the big bang? The universe could have existed in such away that life, even intelligent life was around before the big bang and the "disorder" that eventually created us.
 
Singularitarian said:
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[latex]S^{\infty} = -k \sum_{i=1}{\infty} P_i In P_i[/latex]

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Evidently, since you wrote in your LaTex construct "In" using a capital "I" instead of a lowercase "l", you must not understand that it means "Natural Logarithm", and that casts grave doubt on your mathematical competence.

When you so badly splatter both the English language and mathematical symbols, people automatically conclude you have no real understanding of either.

"magnaminity[sic] of percpetion[sic]" and "understanding a bulk of information" indeed.:rolleyes:

Cheers,

Dave
 
Singularitarian said:
This is a really short thread, compared to my superfluously-long threads i have made in the past... so.. is, entropy, the measure of ''disorder'' misunderstood?
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Yes, as this is mostly a layman's definition of entropy. In physics, entropy has a very precise mathematical meaning. Linky.
 
Singularitarian said:
It is philosophical... ever heard of the psychological arrow of time?
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I've seen the arrow of time mentioned many times in physics.

Never, have I seen it married with the word phychological. And the reason that nobody has ever bothered with such an absurd mating of ideas is that the arrow of time exists irrespective of any entity which can be described as being governed by psychology.
 
Singularitarian said:
Relativity due to the observer, and due ultimately to relative experience.

Since now there are about 6 billion people on earth, all agreeing to the same reality, the order of percpetion seems constructed well on the proton and electron scale. Therefore, the order giving rise to a complex structure such as consciousness and which complex structure this consciousness perceives, is unique, as to even say that the order perceived now, than what we would be able to earlier in the universe, must be more defined.
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My bolded statement of your's is so far off from being true that were you standing before me I would not only be laughing, I would be pointing at you as well.
 
CaveDave said:
Evidently, since you wrote in your LaTex construct "In" using a capital "I" instead of a lowercase "l", you must not understand that it means "Natural Logarithm", and that casts grave doubt on your mathematical competence.

When you so badly splatter both the English language and mathematical symbols, people automatically conclude you have no real understanding of either.

"magnaminity[sic] of percpetion[sic]" and "understanding a bulk of information" indeed.:rolleyes:

Cheers,

Dave
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That exact same error has been pointed out to them on this very same forum previously. However, in Singularitarian's universe, no such direct objection to anything they have said has ever been made, hence no response is needed, nothing need be learned, and no correction or admition should ever be expected.
 
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