Is "black hole" a racially insensitive term?

Radrook said:
I don't see the logic behind the perception of the term black-hole as a racial slur either.
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Or people to take say the word accountant to be a racial slur.

You are all about excusing peoples ignorance to the actual definition of the word and catering to their ignorant perceptions.
 
ponderingturtle said:
You do realize that color based ethnic groups are totaly meaningless, right? There are more diverse groups of africans than the exists in the entire rest of the world geneticaly speaking.

So talking about pure blacks points out that you are useing the same exact imprecise color based markers that you seem to be decrying.
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To be understood by ignorants one has to use their vocabulary sometimes. Otherwise unintentionally-inflicted brain damage might ensue. In any case, I wasn't using color as the sole criterion. I was referring to indivisuals who have absolutely no other traceable ancestors but blacks regardless of what their skin color might be. It seems you are projecting your sole skin color criterion on what I say.
 
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zenotter said:
I agree about people being too politically correct these days. For what it's worth, all of my black relatives (by marriage) call themselves "black." They're all homegrown Americans, with varying shades of dark skin.

ETA: Come to think of it, I don't know how my Greek relatives (by marriage) describe themselves more often, as white or Greek, but they're also American, and none of it should matter.

Race baiters are teh s uck.
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Nothing precludes them from being both Greek and white. You seem to be confusing nationality with race. Neither is skin color the only criterion by which race is anthropologically determined as you seem to be implying. If it were, then millions of Chinese whose skin is lily white and much whiter than many so-called American whites would qualify as Caucasian and they don't due to other factors considered far more relevant than skin color. So you are obviously uninformed on two fronts.

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The southern darker-skinned Orientals such as Cambodians and Vietnamese refer to the Chinese and Koreans as white. But
regardless of skin shade, anthropologically they are all considered
one race. The same applies to the northern Europeans and southern/Eastern Europeans despite differences in skin color. The black race of course is no exception to this variety of skin color within its designated boundaries.
 
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BPSCG said:
No.

Be proud of accomplishments, be ashamed of failures.

But don't be proud or ashamed of things you have no control over, such as your color.
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So you have never told a friend, relative or a child, "I'm so proud of you"?

BPSCG said:
This was a major discussion in a recent thread about gay pride. My answer, when Darat pinned me down, essentially amounted to, I try not to be proud of things I have no control over, with limited success.
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I used to think like that, too, but I realised that there's nothing wrong with feeling pride in certain things you have no control over, to a certain extent at least. I feel it's foolish to be proud of things that happened so long ago that neither you nor your closed ones had anything to do with it (I remember someone who felt pride in her Spanish ancestors for driving the Moors away... as if she could have traced her ancestry that far back), but being proud of your immediate family's accomplishment, why not? If your grandfather won medals, being proud of him is just a way to show your admiration, just like being proud of your nephew's A grade.

If we should take pride in certain accidents of birth, should we not therefore be ashamed of other accidents of birth? If being black is something one should be proud of, then doesn't it stand to reason that not being black is something to be ashamed of? If being gay is something to be proud of, then doesn't it stand to reason that not being gay is something to be ashamed of?
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I used to also think that... but then I realised it's a false dichotomy. You can be proud of something, you can be neutral to it, or you can be ashamed of it, all depending on the person. But it's not an either-or thing.
 
I don't find traciung onself back to the time you mention that difficult. There are people in Spain who can trace their ancestry back to 1592. Here is one who traces himself back to Christopher Columbus.

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Ramirez de Haro, 24 February 1949. He holds the titles 14th Duke of Veragua, Marquis of Jamaica, 16th Admiral of the Indies. The senior living male descendant of the Discoverer.http://b.casalemedia.com/V2/67072/140048/index.html?book-smith.tripod.com/colon.html
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Coats of arms as well as birth records were kept that make traceability possible..

BTW
The very house where Christopher Columbus was born still stands on the same street in Genoa Italy. Actually, there are buildings in Spain which date back that far. One is now still used as a restaurant in Madrid.
 
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Radrook said:
Nothing precludes them from being both Greek and white.
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Duh, I know.

Radrook said:
You seem to be confusing nationality with race.
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No I'm not. You seem to be making mountains out of molehills. (ETA: The whole point was that they are completely Greek, and white, and American, and nationality/race should not matter to humans interacting with other humans.)

Radrook said:
Neither is skin color the only criterion by which race is anthropologically determined as you seem to be implying. If it were, then millions of Chinese whose skin is lily white and much whiter than many so-called American whites would qualify as Caucasian and they don't due to other factors considered far more relevant than skin color. So you are obviously uninformed on two fronts.
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You need to take a chill pill. Not everything anyone says is an attack on your very interesting views. There are such things as observational comments, which I've been making, which you've been taking waaay, way out of context.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
Some people just want to be offended.

I am waiting on them to start on Black Body Radiation.
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Let's continue:
  • The Black Sea
  • Black Ops
  • Black Sun
  • Blackout
  • Black dog
  • Jack Black
  • Black metal
  • Black magic
  • Black mass
  • Black mildew
  • Black cats
  • Black eye
And in german:
  • Schwarzwald
  • Das Schwarze Korps
And in italian:
  • Camicie nere
And in swedish:
  • Svartsjuka
  • Svarta pengar
  • Svartalf
  • Svartmålning
  • Svarte Petter
  • Svartenbrandt
 
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zenotter said:
Duh, I know.


No, I'm not. You seem to be making mountains out of molehills. (ETA: The whole point was that they are completely Greek, and white, and American, and nationality/race should not matter to humans interacting with other humans.)


You need to take a chill pill. Not everything anyone says is an attack on your very interesting views. There are such things as observational comments, which I've been making, which you've been taking waaay, way out of context.
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If I misunderstood you I'm sorry. No harm or annoyance intended. Only trying to inform.

As for mountains out of molehills, I focus on this because of the numerous fanatical, vehement, bigoted arguments to the contrary that I have encountered.

BTW
Glad you find my posts interesting though non of the info is original but simply basic anthropological knowledge. So they are not MY VIEWS and therefore no need to give me credit for them. Thanx.

http://www.geocities.com/racial_reality/index.html?200723
 
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Radrook said:
To be understood by ignorants one has to use their vocabulary sometimes. Otherwise unintentionally-inflicted brain damage might ensue. In any case, I wasn't using color as the sole criterion. I was referring to indivisuals who have absolutely no other traceable ancestors but blacks regardless of what their skin color might be. It seems you are projecting your sole skin color criterion on what I say.
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Again you are useing a circular definition. You are useing skin color as the primary indicator of race, when skin color and genetics have nothing to do with each other.

All you really are doing is showing your ignorance of genetics based surveys of human expansion.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Again you are useing a circular definition. You are useing skin color as the primary indicator of race, when skin color and genetics have nothing to do with each other.

All you really are doing is showing your ignorance of genetics based surveys of human expansion.
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You must be readng someone else's posts or not reading mine at all since I have posted the opposite of what you claim. Or maybe you are simply attempting to annoy via misrepresentation?

BTW

Your claim that skin color is TOTALLY divorced from genetics is a bit extreme. I suggest you re-evaluate that concept.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
You are advocating people not use words that are not epithets and are not connected in any way with racial issues becuase of how the ignorant and uneducated might decide it.
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Did I say that "black hole" is wrong? Or "blackboard", "blacksmith"? The only word that I took umbrage with is Niggardly or Nigarrd because it sounds too similar to a word which is offensive. So what I am advocating is civility and decency as opposed to callous disregard for other people's feelings. If indeed someone is sensitive due to ignorance, that doesn't justify my trampling all over a person's feelings knowingly inflicting unnecessary psychological pain. Your policy also fails the social-cohesion responsibility criterion for evaluating behavior. So it fails on two counts.

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You are showing ignorance of basic ethical principles.
 
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[sarcasm]Excuse me. I find the term psychology offensive because it contains the root psycho which is used to trample over people's feelings since it is a non-scientific term used often to describe people who are different. Given the responsibilty for social-cohesion I believe it should be stricken from the lexicon.

I would thank you Radrook to remember that next time you show callous disregard for my feelings by using that term.[/sarcasm]
 
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fullflavormenthol said:
Excuse me. I find the term psychology offensive because it contains the root psycho which is used to trample over people's feelings since it is a non-scientific term used often to describe people who are different. Given the responsibilty for social-cohesion I believe it should be stricken from the lexicon.

I would thank you Radrook to remember that next time you show callous disregard for my feelings by using that term.
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Has there really been an effort to have words stricken from dictionaries? If there has it's news to me. I certainly am not advocating it and have given absolutely no justifiable reason to conclude that I am advocating it. You are misunderstanding what I am saying.
 
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Radrook said:
Has there really been an effort to have words stricken from dictionaries? If there has it's news to me. I certainly am not advocating it and have given absolutely no justifiable reason to conclude that I am advocating it. You are misunderstanding what I am saying.
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No I am merely being sarcastic. I think the concept of considering the term Blackhole to racially insensitive is stupid, but the argument is really a non-starter.

I meant my post in an overtly joking way, meant to lampoon the entire discussion. If the terms black and white are offensive when used as racial discriptions (which I believe they are) saying that a term non related to race that uses the words black or white are somehow racially offense is merely furthering the original problem. Meaning the issue is to stop these terms (white, black, yellow) from being used as a racial descriptive, and finally removing the concept of race from our society.
 
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[observation]I love sarcasm, particularly when it's used well.[/observation]
 
No seriously, I loved your use of the sarcasm tags. I thought it was obvious that you were being sarcastic with using those, but it seems that sarcasm isn't understood by all. Since my observations have been misconstrued as idiocy, and my subtle sarcasm of the use of "very interesting" wasn't gleaned, I thought my compliment-by-copycatting would help with the general understanding/misunderstanding in the thread. Or maybe not. I think I'm rambling. I've read too much "what the crap was that person thinking?" stuff lately. :)
 
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Father Dagon said:
Let's continue:
  • The Black Sea
  • Black Ops
  • Black Sun
  • Blackout
  • Black dog
  • Jack Black
  • Black metal
  • Black magic
  • Black mass
  • Black mildew
  • Black cats
  • Black eye
And in german:
  • Schwarzwald
  • Das Schwarze Korps
And in italian:
  • Camicie nere
And in swedish:
  • Svartsjuka
  • Svarta pengar
  • Svartalf
  • Svartmålning
  • Svarte Petter
  • Svartenbrandt
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:tongue-ti
 
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