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Is Biden retarded???

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Peephole said:
That's considered a gaffE now? All this is, is Biden speaking candidly. Just because it isn't "politically convenient", doesn't make this the worst thing anyone has said during this campaign.

That price probably goes to John "THE ECONOMY IS STRONG" McCain.
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Thank God for the spelling police. Where would we be without them?
 
Someone explain to me what the gaffe is?

Pretend I'm from some future Idiocracy, and keep it to two or three simple declarative sentences. Nothing too complicated.

None of this knowing but slanted stuff. Don't be clever.

Explain it to me as if I were 7 years old.

Given the context and intent, what was so dumb about what he said?
 
calebprime said:
Someone explain to me what the gaffe is?

Pretend I'm from some future Idiocracy
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What Biden meant to say: "All these 'inexperience' comments are nonsense. In 6 months some jackass overseas will start beating their chest just to see what's up with the new Pres. Never fear, for then you will know the right choice was made. Since it's going to happen anyway, we don't need the other guy to invite it."

How it can be (mis)interpreted: "In 6 months some jackass overseas will start beating their chest just to see what's up with the new Pres. Then you will wish you would have voted for the guy with experience; whose made 'the right decisions.' "

That's my take.

P.S. If you're from the future, what are this week's lottery numbers?
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
I think the PC term is mentally challenged.
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How unforgivably offensive. The proper term is developmentally delayed. (Sure, 'delayed' means 'never', but hey it makes the parents feel better.)

I think Biden gets off a little easier by the press because there's usually some underlying truth behind the occasional clumsy way he expresses ideas and partly because they're used to it.

I am a little turned off by his statement of policy effects not being initially apparent. Sounds like he hedging his bets against what are simply poor decisions (like Bush's claim that his decisions will be judged by history). If Obama warns the people at the outset that X decision will start out with negative returns, but just watch, it'll get better, then fine -- America can gird its loins and brace itself. But that seems unlikely to me. With a Dem controlled Congress on his side, Obama won't have much of an excuse for bad policy calls, which he will certainly make like all presidents, just hopefully not the biggies.
 
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I am not sure I see the gaffe. Is being realistic and honest a gaffe these days? Of course there will be testing to see what Obama's policies are - to comment on this shows awareness and a degree of preparedness - this is a bad thing? I am not surprised McCain's response is relatively low key - what could he say? No, Biden's wrong - the other leaders will give Obama a free ride?

The only thing open to McCain is "Yes, this is the nature of International politics. Biden is spot on and I am the better man to deal with these issues". He then has to convince the electorate that in the round (covering all the issues) he is the better man to deal with all the challenges.

One might say Biden's only error is to discuss an area where Obama might be perceived to be weaker - McCain is perceived weaker on the economy but this should not prevent Palin talking about the economy - shirley :boggled:
 
While not quite a gaffe, comparisons to Kennedy may serve Obama well in the context of "inspiration" or "invigoration of the young voters" but should be avoided in the context of foreign policy. Kennedy made several missteps in foreign policy (Berlin Wall, Bay of Pigs, Vietnam). He was perceived as weak and naive by the Soviets. Several of his mistakes had repercussions for decades, if not up to present day (Kennedy CIA-sponsored Baath Party coup in Iraq, for example).

Let's see if I follow Biden:
A President Obama will be tested within six months by an international crisis generated by a nation to "test his mettle".
It will look like we are making mistakes ("not initially apparent that we're right".)
Our polling numbers will suck.
Our decisions will be unpopular. But that's because they're really sound, and sound decisions are unpopular.
When this happens, ignore all of it, trust us, and stick by us anyways. Use your influence within the community to prop us up.

My irony meter is off the scale. I mean, when, after the Democratic party constantly criticizes President Bush as being unable to admit a mistake, Obama refuses to admit that he was wrong about the surge, my irony meter got a workout. Now, what Biden is asking for, pre-emptively, seems to me to be the exact thing Bush and the Republicans are criticized for...:rolleyes:
 
Isn't this just Straight Talk? Where's the gaffe?

Honestly, Biden consistently comes across to me as the guy McCain is trying to be.
 
Never mind, I read the post with the context and it is kind of clear.

Without the context, this line 'we're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.' sounds like he is suggesting that Obama will generate the crisis. Truthers will love it.
 
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As an Obama supporter, even I had some misgivings when I saw the video for this. It's only that he seemed so sure that something is going to happen...almost as if he knows what is going to happen. I have no issue with Biden speaking off the cuff, and yes, he does say some dumb things, but this seemed a bit different. It came across as more of a warning than a guess, which makes me wonder what it is that he knows.


ETA: That was my first reaction. My second reaction was...it's not what he knows, it's what he's planning. The gist seemed to me to be: "Something big is gonna happen, and you guys are not going to like our decisions at first, but then you'll see that it's for the best." That made me nervous.

Did anyone else get that feeling?
 
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Wasn't it just a few years ago that every republican under the sun was whinning about term limits and how congessman should serve their 2 terms and then move on.

So now that Obama is doing pretty much exactly THAT - he doesn't have enough experience. I guess that term limits are only valid when it benefits their political agenda!


I was hoping that the Biden comment was jsut out of context or something. And yes, it was a pretty stupid way of putting it, pretty palinisk.
 
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SnuggleSmacks said:
As an Obama supporter, even I had some misgivings when I saw the video for this. It's only that he seemed so sure that something is going to happen...almost as if he knows what is going to happen. I have no issue with Biden speaking off the cuff, and yes, he does say some dumb things, but this seemed a bit different. It came across as more of a warning than a guess, which makes me wonder what it is that he knows.


ETA: That was my first reaction. My second reaction was...it's not what he knows, it's what he's planning. The gist seemed to me to be: "Something big is gonna happen, and you guys are not going to like our decisions at first, but then you'll see that it's for the best." That made me nervous.

Did anyone else get that feeling?
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That was the impression I got too. However, and I am not an Obama supporter, I am sure he didn't mean it that way. Which makes it just odd.

I bet it will be used as proof of the NWO sooner or later.
 
Nogbad said:
I am not sure I see the gaffe. Is being realistic and honest a gaffe these days? Of course there will be testing to see what Obama's policies are - to comment on this shows awareness and a degree of preparedness - this is a bad thing? I am not surprised McCain's response is relatively low key - what could he say? No, Biden's wrong - the other leaders will give Obama a free ride?

The only thing open to McCain is "Yes, this is the nature of International politics. Biden is spot on and I am the better man to deal with these issues". He then has to convince the electorate that in the round (covering all the issues) he is the better man to deal with all the challenges.

One might say Biden's only error is to discuss an area where Obama might be perceived to be weaker - McCain is perceived weaker on the economy but this should not prevent Palin talking about the economy - shirley :boggled:
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The thing is the VP's job while running is as the attack dog AND to do no harm. Giving the opposition ammunition to attack your guy by raising doubts about his inexperience on international affairs is not "doing no harm".

But people tend to live in the NOW. And compared with the Dow dropping another 270+ points today, the NOW is the economy and not what MIGH happen a year from now.

Dee
 
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calebprime said:
/*Idiocracy/

1,1,2,1 kick your ASS!

/Ideocracy/
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:D

gtc said:
Never mind, I read the post with the context and it is kind of clear.

Without the context, this line 'we're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.' sounds like he is suggesting that Obama will generate the crisis. Truthers will love it.
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I was thinking the same thing myself. It's bad enough were we have to worry about context to the point where political oppenents will jump all over them, but we have to worry about truthers making hay from statements for years to come.
 
Well, as long as Palin keeps saying things like there's real patriotic amercia (you know, conservative republican leaning) as opposed to other parts of america (you know, liberal democrat leaning) to balance out Biden being Biden, I don't think the Dems have anthing to worry about really.

Dee
 
Was watching Fox and Friends this morning and Laurence Eagleburger was on (basically) decrying how Biden was admitting that the TerroristsTM (or Iran or pick your boogie man of choice) would be testing an Obama presidency within six months with the addenda that Colin Powell was a dishonorable person for appearing on Meet The Press with no other purpose than to announce his advocacy of Obama after eschewing dirty, dirty politics for the last number of years.

Forget Biden's Yogi Berraism, is anyone at McCain HQ vetting the public pronouncements that apparachnicks from Palin on down are making?
 
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