Is Bended Space = Contracted Space ?

[dafydd]

Ok now unite the 10^80 baryons the 14 billion parasecs infinity, the pound and the penny, and show me the mathematical unification of the strong force and gravity.

And now sandpaper an elephant down to the size of a mouse.

 

[Bjarne]

And now sandpaper an elephant down to the size of a mouse.

It was not me that claimed that it was mathematically possible to unit gravity and the strong interaction

 

[steenkh]

It was not me that claimed that it was mathematically possible to unit gravity and the strong interaction

No, but you proposed a link between the amount of matter in the universe (that you apparently think is infinite) and the unity of gravity and the strong force.

I am sure you are aware that there are several theories attempting to unify gravity, the electroweak, and the quantum chromodynamic forces. I beleive none of us here are able to present these theories properly, and in any case you would not be able to understand it, considering that you are not able to understand simple equations.

In any case, you would not believe in something that cannot be presented in a format understandable to a cow, or which is not conceived by an ignorant amateur.

 

[Reality Check]

It was not me that claimed that it was mathematically possible to unit gravity and the strong interaction

Who in this thread claimed this?
If it was me then I was right. It is mathematically possible to unite gravity and the strong interaction in many ways, e.g. the various string theories and loop quantum gravity.

 

[Reality Check]

Does Bjarne really think that infinity is a number

First asked 20 November 2009
Recent posts imply that Bjarne thinks that infinity is a number. The definition of infinity states that it is not a number - it is "a concept in mathematics and philosophy that refers to a quantity without bound or end."
Read Infinity is NOT a number for a clear description about why treating infinity as a number invalidates the foundations of mathematics.

Bjarne
Do you really think that infinity is a number?

 

[Bjarne]

No, but you proposed a link between the amount of matter in the universe (that you apparently think is infinite) and the unity of gravity and the strong force.

I suggest a very simple way these two forces can be unified, - yes.
But at the same time I claim that this is properly not possible to prove mathematical. - At least we need to know much more.

To my opinion the strong force (interaction) is a frequency that keeps space contracted. And hence the condition for gravity, exactly like gravity (particle contraction of space) is the condition fore the strong force. Both depend on each other.

One big question is hence: how far can such coordinated strong interaction frequency reach? Does it exist several independent strong forces <> gravity forces?
One for each star, or for each galaxy?
If so it’s easy.
If not we have a HUGE problem to get math to comprehend many unknown factors, such as the total mass of the Universe, - because the frequency of interaction depends of the “total” mass. This force is strong because the coordinated pull and push from a huge amount of mass is strong.
Maybe someone can united this mathematical, - never say never, - and maybe it can be done based on this simple suggestion mentioned her.

But I can’t see it. I am not mathematician, so here is maybe a simple thread that can challenge somebody to finish Einstein’s attempt.

Do you really think that infinity is a number?

I never said that.

 

[Reality Check]

I suggest a very simple way these two forces can be unified, - yes.

No you do not

But at the same time I claim that this is properly not possible to prove mathematical. - At least we need to know much more.

It has been proved mathematically that gravity and the dtrong force can be unified.

To my opinion the strong force (interaction) is a frequency that keeps space contracted. And hence the condition for gravity, exactly like gravity (particle contraction of space) is the condition fore the strong force. Both depend on each other.

The strong force is a force. It is not a frequency.
Contracted space has nothing to do with gravity: Curved space is not contracted space.

One big question is hence: how far can such coordinated strong interaction frequency reach?

There is no such thing as the "coordinated strong interaction frequency" so it never reaches anywhere.
The strong force has no limit. It is a constant force between the quarks.
The residual strong force or nuclear force does not extend ouside of the nucleus.

If not we have a HUGE problem to get math to comprehend many unknown factors, such as the total mass of the Universe, - because the frequency of interaction depends of the “total” mass. This force is strong because the coordinated pull and push from a huge amount of mass is strong.
Maybe someone can united this mathematical, - never say never, - and maybe it can be done based on this simple suggestion mentioned her.

You do have a HUGE problem.

1. Your idea is ignorant nonsense.
2. There is no "coordinated pull and push" from any mass.
3. The strong force and gravity have already been united mathematically.

 

[Toke]

Of course infinity is a number.
8+90degrees.

 

[Bjarne]

The strong force has no limit. It is a constant force between the quarks.
The residual strong force or nuclear force does not extend ouside of the nucleus.

Right this is what we know.
But a lot also points to coordination independent of time and distance.
Hence space can easy be the "coordinator" between those forces.

The strong force and gravity have already been united mathematically.

How can you unite gravity with anything, so long you haven’t understood what gravity really is ?
Is the nature of gravity infinity, so like the equations shows?
What is your sources?

 

[dafydd]

Right this is what we know.
But a lot also points to coordination independent of time and distance.
Hence space can easy be the "coordinator" between those forces.


How can you unite gravity with anything, so long you haven’t understood what gravity really is ?
Is the nature of gravity infinity, so like the equations shows?
What is your sources?

Tell us what gravity really is then.

 

[Reality Check]

Right this is what we know.
But a lot also points to coordination independent of time and distance.
Hence space can easy be the "coordinator" between those forces.

What does this gibberish actually mean, Bjarne?

How can you unite gravity with anything, so long you haven’t understood what gravity really is ?

Try learning to read.
As stated many times before:
Not knowing "what" gravity is does not stop us from stating how gravity acts. It acts as if it is a consequence of the curvature of spacetime.
There is a mathematical model called General Relativity in which curvature of space makes objects move in curved paths. We call this gravity. This model has been tested extensively and has not yet failed the tests.

Is the nature of gravity infinity, so like the equations shows?
What is your sources?

The nature of gravity is not infinity. Gravity is a force. Infinity is a concept.
What equations?
What sources of what?
What sources for what?

 

[Bjarne]

Tell us what gravity really is then.

It depend on what you mean by “gravity”

If you mean mass attraction it’s the “pressure” on space, how much it’s thinning out.
To understand “thinning out” refer to what happens when space expands. – It’s the same that happens between to object, Objects consumes space, and pulls until it stretches.

If you mean acceleration due to gravity (ADG)
the cause of that is the level difference: according to how much space is “lacking” / “stretches” “thinning out” per distance.
YES it’s difficult to find a perfect expression, what space here does, but stick to the imagination of what happens with expended space, this will guide you. In contrast “bended space” , - well you can use this expression, BUT it’s clumsy and meaningless, except for mathematical use only.

Bjarne
But a lot also points to coordination independent of time and distance.
Hence space can easy be the "coordinator" between those forces.
Limit Reality Check
What does this gibberish actually mean, Bjarne?

Never hear about: Entanglement, Mr. Boom (so fare I remember) etc…

The nature of gravity is not infinity. Gravity is a force. Infinity is a concept.

If space is infinity, (as I expect it to be) I can guarantee you gravity is as well.
The equation showing this actually showing the truth, also even nobody can imaging what that mean.

Gravity is not what matter does here and there, this is in fact unimportant if the gaol (only) is to understand WHAT gravity and if it’s infinity.

Gravity seen from the most simple perspective is ONLY how density of space at a certain point. Gravity is in NO WAY materiel.

BUT as mention so long you and the rest of the world is MATTER fixated, you’ll never understand how SIMPLE gravity really is.

Again, - imaging the exspansive space, this tell the story about a previously gravity / strong force “brake down” // explosion and hence > BigBang

Probably when space (“The Universe”) once exploded, - as a result small “whirlpools” (particles) was born. Chaotic spins ended with the coordinated spin up/ down, and coordinated pulls / release by turn. This MUST also have created a huge coordinated frequency through space.
The “interaction”, - the strong force was born, - as an expression of order, - because one huge pull/push (interaction) frequency was born. .
All this is logical consequenses of the suggestion, that matter contracts space. Because energy is invloved it's all a qaution of saving energy, and hende order MUST emerge out of chaos. - Excactly when 100 man must row a boat, order MUST follow / to save energy.

On day this will properly end with a Big Crunch. Space/ the Universe will contract.
The resistance from space (against to be contracted) will at a certain point outplay the Strong Force. The strong force will lose and can no more keep space contracted, and a new huge “gravity /strong force” explosion will take place.

This is the simple “formula” in words.
If someone can do this mathematical, find do it. I will applaud when succeeding.

 

[dafydd]

It depend on what you mean by “gravity”

If you mean mass attraction it’s the “pressure” on space, how much it’s thinning out.
To understand “thinning out” refer to what happens when space expands. – It’s the same that happens between to object, Objects consumes space, and pulls until it stretches.

If you mean acceleration due to gravity (ADG)
the cause of that is the level difference: according to how much space is “lacking” / “stretches” “thinning out” per distance.
YES it’s difficult to find a perfect expression, what space here does, but stick to the imagination of what happens with expended space, this will guide you. In contrast “bended space” , - well you can use this expression, BUT it’s clumsy and meaningless, except for mathematical use only.


Never hear about: Entanglement, Mr. Boom (so fare I remember) etc…

If space is infinity, (as I expect it to be) I can guarantee you gravity is as well.
The equation showing this actually showing the truth, also even nobody can imaging what that mean.

Gravity is not what matter does here and there, this is in fact unimportant if the gaol (only) is to understand WHAT gravity and if it’s infinity.

Gravity seen from the most simple perspective is ONLY how density of space at a certain point. Gravity is in NO WAY materiel.

BUT as mention so long you and the rest of the world is MATTER fixated, you’ll never understand how SIMPLE gravity really is.

Again, - imaging the exspansive space, this tell the story about a previously gravity / strong force “brake down” // explosion and hence > BigBang

Probably when space (“The Universe”) once exploded, - as a result small “whirlpools” (particles) was born. Chaotic spins ended with the coordinated spin up/ down, and coordinated pulls / release by turn. This MUST also have created a huge coordinated frequency through space.
The “interaction”, - the strong force was born, - as an expression of order, - because one huge pull/push (interaction) frequency was born. .
All this is logical consequenses of the suggestion, that matter contracts space. Because energy is invloved it's all a qaution of saving energy, and hende order MUST emerge out of chaos. - Excactly when 100 man must row a boat, order MUST follow / to save energy.

On day this will properly end with a Big Crunch. Space/ the Universe will contract.
The resistance from space (against to be contracted) will at a certain point outplay the Strong Force. The strong force will lose and can no more keep space contracted, and a new huge “gravity /strong force” explosion will take place.

This is the simple “formula” in words.
If someone can do this mathematical, find do it. I will applaud when succeeding.

More nonsense,very entertaining though.

 

[dafydd]

If someone can do this mathematical, find do it. I will applaud when succeeding.

To win a Nobel Prize you have to do the maths yourself,this simple point seems to have escaped you.

 

[Reality Check]

If space is infinity, (as I expect it to be) I can guarantee you gravity is as well.

More ignorance and gibberish. Space is not infinity either.
Space is "that stuff between objects" sometimes expressed as a physical quantity, e.g. a distance or a volume.
Infinity is a concept.

Maybe you meant that the universe could be infinite, i.e. have no bounds. This is standard cosmology. If you have a universe with mass or energy in it, I can guarantee you gravity is as well.

 

[Bjarne]

Space is not infinity either.

You can not separate space and the universe.
Even a gain of sand affects the whole universe.
If the universe is infinity the gravity effect on space is (off course) infinity too.

 

[dafydd]

You can not separate space and the universe.
Even a gain of sand affects the whole universe.
If the universe is infinity the gravity effect on space is (off course) infinity too.

Let's see,we've had the Hippie universe,the Napoleonic universe and now the Blakean.Make your mind up.Maybe you should try the Real universe for a change.

 

[Reality Check]

You can not separate space and the universe.
Even a gain of sand affects the whole universe.
If the universe is infinity the gravity effect on space is (off course) infinity too.

The unverse contains space.
All of space is the universe.
I know that.

The universe is not infinity so you are spouting gibberish yet again.

 

[Bjarne]

The universe is not infinity so you are spouting gibberish yet again.

Space is not infinity either

So where does it end ?

 

[Reality Check]

So where does it end ?

No one knows. Either somewhere or nowhere.
In other words the universe is either finite (has a bound) or infinite (has no boundary).
The universe is not "infinity" because the universe is a real physical thing (i.e. everything that there is) and infinity is the concept of being without bounds.