Is anyone surprised that Kevin Trudeau...

[Iamme]

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Originally posted by Iamme
[There are 41 in all...and he gives reasons why for al these things. many sound reasonable and common sense-like, don't they? The common theme is: It's not natural. Don't do it.]
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Donks:
So the guy collected every health related spam email out there and put them in his book. Go look at snopes and search for all these, you'll find many debunked there.

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Iamme:
I know what you mean. Kevin is one of many people, including legitimate doctors who are are putting out publications that go against the medical establishment, and recite a lot of the same stuff. Bottom line: Kevin is echoing other peoples stuff, basically. But HE is the only one I have heard say, "You CANNOT get cancer if your pH is alkaline" (or to that effect). He doesn't even say, "I don't THINK you can get cancer if...he says you "CANNOT!!!!"...like he knows. I primarily bought the book based on learning more about that one claim.

 

[Iamme]

Well spoken Dave.

To further show troll ways of Iamme, I point to this thread.

Iamme acted surprised to know I had cancer in this thread, yet was spouting Kevin Trudeau's crap all the way back on 8/15 in a thread in which I openly stated I was a cancer patient.

So it's back to the moniker of "troll" as far as I am concerned.





edited for spelling

Come on guy. Give me a break. I ain't no "troll". A troll is someone who jumps in out of no where (some unknown poster) and just starts crap, and leaves. I ain't like that. If I missed something said, I missed it. That's all. This forum loads slow and I ain't disabled like some that can be on this board all day long. As it is tonight, for example, I have been online for over 1 1/2 hours and am only uncovering th tip of the iceberg of everywhere I want to go. I try my best.

When I found out you had cancer, I even said I was sorrry to hear that. What do you want from me anyway?

When I jumped into this thread here and really got going on posting stuff out of Kevin's new book, this one topic took up hours of my time. I couldn't go anywhere else in this forum or another forum I post on.

Please go easy on me. I ain't some mean spirited trouble maker or anything.

 

[Iamme]

Why do I get a picture of Iamme posting this drivel, then sitting back and giggling like a five-year-old who just got away with saying the word 'bum' out loud?

The ignorance of some trolls I think is innate. I find it hard to believe that it's not a put-on in this case.

Athon

Ach. You guys! I wonder if the poster who started ".999....= 1" was laughing, too.

But why would I be laughing at this "drivel" that I went out and spent $23 on, and have spent a long time posting about?

Naturally, I could pretty much bet that since this is a skeptics forum, that many of you would not believe what Kevin has to say. That was expected. And that is where it is fun to read the answers because..well, take what Eos of the Eons had to say for example: That information is out there on how a person can only have their pH change by like .4% or whatever...or get sick and die. An educational response. That's why we are here, isn't it? It's funner to discuss this than to just spend time Googling all over the place, ain't it?

 

[Jeff Corey]

I don't think that he is a troll. If he is who I think he is, he's a guy up in Eau Clair fixing things in apartments for a living.
His questions are probably sincere - he really wants to learn about stuff. Be gentle, all you Ph.D.s out there.
The eagle may fly on friday, but the crow defecates at will. Will may object, but the Crow don't care.
Crow says, "The immaterial don't matter, it ain't matter."

 

[CaveDave]

Ach. You guys! I wonder if the poster who started ".999....= 1" was laughing, too.

Whatever he was doing, it might as well equal 1, it certainly converges to 1, quickly.

But why would I be laughing at this "drivel" that I went out and spent $23 on, and have spent a long time posting about?

We can't know what trips your trigger.

Naturally, I could pretty much bet that since this is a skeptics forum, that many of you would not believe what Kevin has to say. That was expected. And that is where it is fun to read the answers because..well, take what Eos of the Eons had to say for example: That information is out there on how a person can only have their pH change by like .4% or whatever...or get sick and die. An educational response. That's why we are here, isn't it? It's funner to discuss this than to just spend time Googling all over the place, ain't it?

As I wrote:

if you truely want to debate his points, pick one set of statements in a limited range, state your reasons for believing them, then wait for the response to those points, debate if you want, then move on to the next set. Flooding the forum with lengthy transcriptions of densly incorrect (as in: almost every sentence contains some actual truth blended in with many commonly believed falsehoods and much intentional misdirection and outright lies) serves to only confuse the issue and discourage those who might want to help you understand specific points in their areas of knowlege.

Give it a try, and most of us will probably treat you the way you deserve.

Dave

 

[flume]

I found in the book that if you put water in a microwave and use the water to grow something. The something will not grow!!!!! If I find the quote again, I wil post it.

I just looked at this thread today, and my attention was caught by the comment about the microwaved water. I only skimmed the rest of the thread, so I might have missed it if this was discussed further.

A year ago I was on a questionable list where someone stated as fact that plants wouldn't live if watered with microwaved water. The person gave a URL for an online source. For the fun of it, I got some seeds and sprouted them in tap water, boiled water and microwaved water. It was a crude, sloppy effort but a number of seeds did sprout in all three samples. I emailed the author of the original online essay that his statement was incorrect. He replied that he had heard from many people that his claim about the microwaved water was untrue. He had read it originally in some other source and had put it in his essay without checking first. After realizing that it was false, he had taken the statement out of the essay on his own webpage, but other people had reposted his essay on their own webpages and he was unable to change the content in those web pages.

Iamme, if Trudeau chose to put this very easily tested, very unlikely bit of information in his book without taking the time to check it out, he has shown himself to be completely untrustworthy in the value of his information and opinions.


(Not long after I posted this information on the questionable list, I was banned without explanation. Okay, so I was slightly trolling, but in what I thought was a polite quiet way.)

 

[CaveDave]

I just looked at this thread today, and my attention was caught by the comment about the microwaved water. I only skimmed the rest of the thread, so I might have missed it if this was discussed further.

A year ago I was on a questionable list where someone stated as fact that plants wouldn't live if watered with microwaved water. The person gave a URL for an online source. For the fun of it, I got some seeds and sprouted them in tap water, boiled water and microwaved water. It was a crude, sloppy effort but a number of seeds did sprout in all three samples. I emailed the author of the original online essay that his statement was incorrect. He replied that he had heard from many people that his claim about the microwaved water was untrue. He had read it originally in some other source and had put it in his essay without checking first. After realizing that it was false, he had taken the statement out of the essay on his own webpage, but other people had reposted his essay on their own webpages and he was unable to change the content in those web pages.

Iamme, if Trudeau chose to put this very easily tested, very unlikely bit of information in his book without taking the time to check it out, he has shown himself to be completely untrustworthy in the value of his information and opinions.


(Not long after I posted this information on the questionable list, I was banned without explanation. Okay, so I was slightly trolling, but in what I thought was a polite quiet way.)

That's a prime example of an easily falsifiable claim that anyone can test at home.

Bravo, flume, for pointing it out (I wish I'd caught it).

Now, Lamme, you can easily test this. Do the experiment yourself. Figure out a way to "blind" the test to remove any bias. Prove to yourself that TrueDough is lying on this one point. Go on to find out if his other claims pan out. Become a scientist in your own way. I'm sure some of the fine JREF folks will help you with procedures if you approach them right.

Or you can just swallow whatever any joker comin' down the pike tells you to believe.

The choice is yours.

I know MY pick.

Dave

 

[RandFan]

But why would I be laughing at this "drivel" that I went out and spent $23 on, and have spent a long time posting about?

Naturally, I could pretty much bet that since this is a skeptics forum, that many of you would not believe what Kevin has to say. That was expected. And that is where it is fun to read the answers because..well, take what Eos of the Eons had to say for example: That information is out there on how a person can only have their pH change by like .4% or whatever...or get sick and die. An educational response. That's why we are here, isn't it? It's funner to discuss this than to just spend time Googling all over the place, ain't it?

I don't really know what your point is. It is demonstable that Trudeau is an individual who endangers the lives of others in order to get rich. I don't think it is funny. I think it is sad. However, if you want to poke fun at Trudeau and mock him then I am on your side. Just make that point clear and we will all have fun at Kevin's expense.

 

[tsg]

The man is a whore who has no problem endangering others to make a buck. Trudeau represents the very worst of humanity in that he harms many for personal reasons. If I had to venture a guess it could only be that he is at best an amoral socio-path. At worst he knows what he is doing is wrong but the money is just too good to pass up.

If there were any justice in the universe, he would get cancer.

 

[Psi Baba]

Come on guy. Give me a break. I ain't no "troll". A troll is someone who jumps in out of no where (some unknown poster) and just starts crap, and leaves. I ain't like that. If I missed something said, I missed it. That's all. This forum loads slow and I ain't disabled like some that can be on this board all day long. As it is tonight, for example, I have been online for over 1 1/2 hours and am only uncovering th tip of the iceberg of everywhere I want to go. I try my best.

When I found out you had cancer, I even said I was sorrry to hear that. What do you want from me anyway?

When I jumped into this thread here and really got going on posting stuff out of Kevin's new book, this one topic took up hours of my time. I couldn't go anywhere else in this forum or another forum I post on.

Please go easy on me. I ain't some mean spirited trouble maker or anything.

Now that I've read this, I'm glad I ran out of time yesterday to post some of nasty things I was thinking as I was slogging my way through this thread. I've been very brusque with you on two occasions (one of which you may not have even seen yet--oops). It's just that although I'm normally a rather patient person, somehow I competely lose all patience reading threads like this.

So Iamme, I would be most obliged if you would accept two pieces of advice, which I extend with the utmost sincerity:
1) Since you were willing to spend the price of Trudeau's book to satisfy your curiosity, please consider purchasing (or borrowing) either Carl Sagan's Demon-Haunted World or Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things. Seriously. You'll be glad you did. And it will save you a lot of time down the road (it will--you'll see).
2) Slow down. Catch your breath. You say you have limited time to be online. Don't try to cover so many things all at once. Pick a topic and work with it. Ask real questions. Get real answers. It's clear that you want to learn, but remember that many people (like Trudeau) do outright lie or at least repeat unstantiated statements without worrying whether it's true or not. We're not your enemy. Though you try our patience, we're not out to lie to you or trick you. Remember that the difference between a skeptic and a guy like Trudeau is that Trudeau will say, "Believe me; trust me" whereas the skeptic will say, "Don't believe me or anyone else; find out for yourself. Think for yourself. Use your brain."

BTW, RandFan, that satire was brilliant. It made it worth reading this damn thread.

 

[RandFan]

Now that I've read this, I'm glad I ran out of time yesterday to post some of nasty things I was thinking as I was slogging my way through this thread. I've been very brusque with you on two occasions (one of which you may not have even seen yet--oops). It's just that although I'm normally a rather patient person, somehow I competely lose all patience reading threads like this.

So Iamme, I would be most obliged if you would accept two pieces of advice, which I extend with the utmost sincerity:
1) Since you were willing to spend the price of Trudeau's book to satisfy your curiosity, please consider purchasing (or borrowing) either Carl Sagan's Demon-Haunted World or Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things. Seriously. You'll be glad you did. And it will save you a lot of time down the road (it will--you'll see).
2) Slow down. Catch your breath. You say you have limited time to be online. Don't try to cover so many things all at once. Pick a topic and work with it. Ask real questions. Get real answers. It's clear that you want to learn, but remember that many people (like Trudeau) do outright lie or at least repeat unstantiated statements without worrying whether it's true or not. We're not your enemy. Though you try our patience, we're not out to lie to you or trick you. Remember that the difference between a skeptic and a guy like Trudeau is that Trudeau will say, "Believe me; trust me" whereas the skeptic will say, "Don't believe me or anyone else; find out for yourself. Think for yourself. Use your brain."

BTW, RandFan, that satire was brilliant. It made it worth reading this damn thread.

Thanks and thank you for your post. I think you give Iamme some good advice. There is nothing wrong with challenging any of our held beliefs. For that I don't critisize Iamme. However there does come a point when some challenges don't stand up.

 

[Iamme]

You might all want to tune into this. My friend told me that on NBC today at 3 pm central time (4 eastern time), there is going to be this show (he isn't sure the name of it), where they are going to be questioning Kevin Trudeau on the claims he is making. I am thinking about coming over to my friends house to watch, if that is when I am able to take off for lunch. Either that he will tell me about what is asked and said. I hope the part about "you canNOT get cancer if your body is alkaline!" (Kevin Trudeau claim) comes up.

I just called up my dad and he looked it up and said the show is "Inside Edition".

Now I just saw a highlight from the show! It shows the host interogating Kevin, face to face. This should be good.

 

[tsg]

You might all want to tune into this. My friend told me that on NBC today at 3 pm central time (4 eastern time), there is going to be this show (he isn't sure the name of it), where they are going to be questioning Kevin Trudeau on the claims he is making. I am thinking about coming over to my friends house to watch, if that is when I am able to take off for lunch. Either that he will tell me about what is asked and said. I hope the part about "you canNOT get cancer if your body is alkaline!" (Kevin Trudeau claim) comes up.

I just called up my dad and he looked it up and said the show is "Inside Edition".

Now I just saw a highlight from the show! It shows the host interogating Kevin, face to face. This should be good.

Inside Edition is not generally known for critical investigation. It's a news magazine show along the lines of Entertainment Tonight. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they accept 90% of Trudeau's claims at face value and the other 10% will consist of:

IE: Is that true?
KT: Yes.
IE: Okay, then.

 

[Schneibster]

"The Russian researchers stressed that eating microwaved foods can be fatal. The energy produced in a microwave oven makes the food a poison.

Microwaves and infrared radiation from a fire, oven, or stove are adjacent wavelengths in the electromagnetic spectrum, and infrared is adjacent to red light. Both infrared and visible light are more energetic than microwave. Microwave ovens work because the wavelength happens to allow the microwaves to penetrate the food a short distance, and then be absorbed. When they are absorbed, they cause the molecules in the food to oscillate, or vibrate if you prefer. This vibration of molecules is heat- not becomes heat, is heat. When the microwave generating part of the oven shuts off, nothing is left in the food but heat.

Infrared heats things exactly the same way- except it doesn't penetrate! There is absolutely no difference other than this.

Obviously, exposing any portion of your body to such radiation will damage it- just as you will be damaged if you put your hand into an oven with the broiler on, or above the flame on a gas stove. However, unlike infrared from the broiler or stove, the microwave energy penetrates your body a short distance before it burns you. Obviously, since your skin protects the interior of your body, it is much less damaging to be burned on the surface than underneath- and in addition, you have many more pain and heat sensors on the surface of your skin than inside your body, so you can be much more seriously injured before your reflexes protect you. And finally, the microwave cavity resonator (which produces the microwaves) and klystron (which amplifies them) produce a beam of microwaves which is at least partly coherent- which means that it can travel long distances (feet) and burn you and your kitchen.

So for these reasons, the oven is shielded to prevent the microwaves from coming out; in addition, it reflects the bulk of them back into the food, so little or none of the energy is wasted.

Let me repeat: microwaves heat food exactly the same way infrared radiation from an oven broiler does, except it penetrates a short way (a few millimeters) into the food first. There is ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER DIFFERENCE. If you could make a beam of infrared radiation as concentrated as the microwaves in a microwave oven are, it would be far more dangerous, a "heat-ray" capable of frying a four-inch hole in someone in seconds at a distance of many yards! They do not make food radioactive, and they do not do anything to the food that other heating methods will not. Claims to the contrary are BS of the highest order, and IMO self-serving scare-mongering intended by Trudeau to sell more books.

All of that said, I would recommend against standing in front of the oven and watching the food- I have a suspicion that it could eventually cause cataracts if you did it every night for many years, although I would not be surprised to have someone who has been involved in testing them to debunk me on that, too! This suspicion on my part is tied in with my suspicion that exposure to low levels of penetrating electromagnetic radiation over a long period of time can lead to chronic health problems, based on a lot of anecdotal evidence, but I have no idea as to the underlying mechanism. And like the above, I wouldn't be surprised to turn out to be wrong! So take this with a grain of salt.

.......Similar energy is in your cell phone, and the new long-range cordless phones radiating at a 2.45 gigahertz frequency is the same as your microwave oven..........computers, televisions, wireles devices, satelite transmissions, etc. This is why you NEED an electronic chaos eliminator. (This chaotic eliminator is one of his 'big four' he talks about throughout the book, along with natural foods, body cleansing and...I forget what the other is.)

Whee, let's sell more gadgets for $50 apiece- here we have the BS and the motive for the BS in one tidy package. Anyone with remaining questions hasn't been paying attention and gets a

Eating the molecularly altered microwaved food alters your blood chemistry as well.

How, precisely? And how is this alteration different from the alteration in your blood chemistry from eating food that has been cooked in any manner whatsoever? References? Citations? Peer-reviewed journal articles?

Consider this: Researchers have shown that if you eat organic vegatables that have been cooked in a microwave, your cholestrol rapidly rises. Swiss scientists have discovered that blood cholestrol is less influenced by how much cholestrol is in the food we eat, and more influenced by the molecular structure of the food itself...........long-term, permanent and fatal to the human body.................altered newly formed compounds that cannot be broken down....leads to cancer, heart disease, diabetes, MS, muscular dystrophy, lupus, and virtually every degenerative disease.

I could post the but I think the point has been made. This is an extraordinary claim, unsupported by the evidence presented and in any case requiring extraordinary evidence. Trudeau is a charlatan, a liar, and an ex-convict whose prison stay was for taking advantage of the gullible and unknowledgable in precisely the same manner as he is in this book. I have no intention of wasting another single second of my life on him; 'nuff said.

Iamme, don't bother responding; I have no intention of continuing this conversation. As a public service, I have made my knowledge of the underlying scientific principles of operation of microwave ovens available. If you choose to believe the BS this individual is promulgating, and act on it, I prefer to think that you do so with at least the suspicion that almost nothing you read in this book is true. I caution you that based on this individual's past track record, and on the excerpts you have given here, you do anything suggested by this individual at considerable risk to your health and well-being. Best wishes.

 

[Iamme]

Quick! Kevin Trudeau is on the radio right now on the Robert Scott Bell talk-radio show. Kevin is talking via LD from Kiev, Ukraine right now.

Robert is a pleasant sounding, intelligent sounding...conservative (I presume). Look him up once at rsbell.com.

In the prior hour I was listening to him on the car radio, on the way to my friends where I use his computer, he was likening the alien invasion from our south border as that of a disease invading our immune system. Very unique analogy.

See if you can't get him on your AM dial somewhere. Here in Eau Claire it is on WOGO 680-AM.

 

[Iamme]

Microwaves and infrared radiation from a fire, oven, or stove are adjacent wavelengths in the electromagnetic spectrum, and infrared is adjacent to red light. Both infrared and visible light are more energetic than microwave. Microwave ovens work because the wavelength happens to allow the microwaves to penetrate the food a short distance, and then be absorbed. When they are absorbed, they cause the molecules in the food to oscillate, or vibrate if you prefer. This vibration of molecules is heat- not becomes heat, is heat. When the microwave generating part of the oven shuts off, nothing is left in the food but heat.

Infrared heats things exactly the same way- except it doesn't penetrate! There is absolutely no difference other than this.

Obviously, exposing any portion of your body to such radiation will damage it- just as you will be damaged if you put your hand into an oven with the broiler on, or above the flame on a gas stove. However, unlike infrared from the broiler or stove, the microwave energy penetrates your body a short distance before it burns you. Obviously, since your skin protects the interior of your body, it is much less damaging to be burned on the surface than underneath- and in addition, you have many more pain and heat sensors on the surface of your skin than inside your body, so you can be much more seriously injured before your reflexes protect you. And finally, the microwave cavity resonator (which produces the microwaves) and klystron (which amplifies them) produce a beam of microwaves which is at least partly coherent- which means that it can travel long distances (feet) and burn you and your kitchen.

So for these reasons, the oven is shielded to prevent the microwaves from coming out; in addition, it reflects the bulk of them back into the food, so little or none of the energy is wasted.

Let me repeat: microwaves heat food exactly the same way infrared radiation from an oven broiler does, except it penetrates a short way (a few millimeters) into the food first. There is ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER DIFFERENCE. If you could make a beam of infrared radiation as concentrated as the microwaves in a microwave oven are, it would be far more dangerous, a "heat-ray" capable of frying a four-inch hole in someone in seconds at a distance of many yards! They do not make food radioactive, and they do not do anything to the food that other heating methods will not. Claims to the contrary are BS of the highest order, and IMO self-serving scare-mongering intended by Trudeau to sell more books.

All of that said, I would recommend against standing in front of the oven and watching the food- I have a suspicion that it could eventually cause cataracts if you did it every night for many years, although I would not be surprised to have someone who has been involved in testing them to debunk me on that, too! This suspicion on my part is tied in with my suspicion that exposure to low levels of penetrating electromagnetic radiation over a long period of time can lead to chronic health problems, based on a lot of anecdotal evidence, but I have no idea as to the underlying mechanism. And like the above, I wouldn't be surprised to turn out to be wrong! So take this with a grain of salt.

Whee, let's sell more gadgets for $50 apiece- here we have the BS and the motive for the BS in one tidy package. Anyone with remaining questions hasn't been paying attention and gets a

How, precisely? And how is this alteration different from the alteration in your blood chemistry from eating food that has been cooked in any manner whatsoever? References? Citations? Peer-reviewed journal articles?

I could post the but I think the point has been made. This is an extraordinary claim, unsupported by the evidence presented and in any case requiring extraordinary evidence. Trudeau is a charlatan, a liar, and an ex-convict whose prison stay was for taking advantage of the gullible and unknowledgable in precisely the same manner as he is in this book. I have no intention of wasting another single second of my life on him; 'nuff said.

Iamme, don't bother responding; I have no intention of continuing this conversation. As a public service, I have made my knowledge of the underlying scientific principles of operation of microwave ovens available. If you choose to believe the BS this individual is promulgating, and act on it, I prefer to think that you do so with at least the suspicion that almost nothing you read in this book is true. I caution you that based on this individual's past track record, and on the excerpts you have given here, you do anything suggested by this individual at considerable risk to your health and well-being. Best wishes.

I wanted to let you know that I read what you wrote. I also stumbled upon some of your lengthy posts elsewhere in this forum a few days ago and remember thinking to myself that this guy (you) must be some Ph.D..

I want to reitterate that Kevin did not imply that any harm arose from being near the microwave oven...but implies that it is in the unique way the food is cooked that somehow alters the chemistry of the food. But you claim this is not the case. Aren't you tempted when you see such claims, to try to get ahold of the author of such claims and try to school them, like you have here in your post?

On the Robert Scott Bell radio show, Bell defends Trudeau from the attacks that Kevin made his book because he is greedy and is not speaking the truth. Bell stated that ANY author is out to make money and on that merit, no condemnation should be made. As far as the homeopathic claims go? Bell asked us listeners if we thought there was a more than reasonable possibility that eating all organic could possibly prevent cancer, like Trudeau proclaims. And Bell stated that this is a very reasonable assertion, as it is common knowledge that eating foods with growth hormones, pesticides, etc., can cause cancer. And it appears that Bell himself believes that Trudeau has been too highly scrutinized and even unfairly censored by making claims that are actually reasonable and most likely true.

After the break the announcer proclaimsed Bell as being the voice for freedom, health and liberty.

Now I just heard said that homeopathic medicine has actually helped mainstream medicine. If I could type as fast as people taking short hand, I'd be typing here what they are talking about. NOW Kevin just said that he thinks it's wrong that if you don't want your child to get chemotherapy and want to go the homeopathic route...they won't let you.

I sure wish some of you could tune into this show. Kevin is still on with Bell.

More phone calls will be coming .

1-800-449-talk...if you want to call the radio show now and talk to Bell and or Kevin!

 

[magicflute]

Microwaved water

I thought I'd try a test on the statement that if you microwave water, nothing will grow if you use it.
Well I obtained 10 - 4 inch pots of growing parsley
5 were watered with plain water
5 were watered with microwaved water (2 cups microwaved for 3 minutes)
Results:
day 1:
All of the plain water plants lived and prospered.
All of the microwaved water plants died after first application.
Conclusion:
Kevin is right!

Further testing:
Same procedure as above but will wait till microwaved water cools before watering the plants with it.

 

[athon]

I thought I'd try a test on the statement that if you microwave water, nothing will grow if you use it.
Well I obtained 10 - 4 inch pots of growing parsley
5 were watered with plain water
5 were watered with microwaved water (2 cups microwaved for 3 minutes)
Results:
day 1:
All of the plain water plants lived and prospered.
All of the microwaved water plants died after first application.
Conclusion:
Kevin is right!

Further testing:
Same procedure as above but will wait till microwaved water cools before watering the plants with it.

Lol. Classic.

Athon

 

[RandFan]

On the Robert Scott Bell radio show, Bell defends Trudeau from the attacks that Kevin made his book because he is greedy and is not speaking the truth. Bell stated that ANY author is out to make money and on that merit, no condemnation should be made.

If money were the only issue then I would agree. However Kevin is giving advice to people that could very well kill them and there is zero objective evidence that his "cures" do anything. Lying and publishing BS to make money is immoral. Kevin Trudeau is an immoral man. It angers me to no end that he can get away with this crap.

As far as the homeopathic claims go? Bell asked us listeners if we thought there was a more than reasonable possibility that eating all organic could possibly prevent cancer, like Trudeau proclaims.

I'm not certain that organic and homeopathic have anything to do with each other but regardless, assuming that organic is beneficial and I'm not certain that it is at all proven, then that does not excuse Trudeau and that is NOT a cure at best it would be preventative..

And Bell stated that this is a very reasonable assertion, as it is common knowledge that eating foods with growth hormones, pesticides, etc., can cause cancer.

"Common knowledge"? This is a fallacy. Did he cite any evidence?

And it appears that Bell himself believes that Trudeau has been too highly scrutinized and even unfairly censored by making claims that are actually reasonable and most likely true.

Oh, well, if Bell "believes" something then it must be true. Are you not just a little bit embarrassed to be providing such useless information?

After the break the announcer proclaimed Bell as being the voice for freedom, health and liberty.

Oh please... This is what stands for evidence in your book?

Now I just heard said that homeopathic medicine has actually helped mainstream medicine.

BS, no it hasn't, evidence please.

Do you simply believe everything you hear?

NOW Kevin just said that he thinks it's wrong that if you don't want your child to get chemotherapy and want to go the homeopathic route...they won't let you.

And if the parents wanted to have a witchdoctor chant over the child or use crystal therapy or pyramid therapy? How about if the parents simply wanted to pray and deny any treatment whatsoever.

I sure wish some of you could tune into this show. Kevin is still on with Bell.

?????? I don't get it. I just don't get. WHY? What is the point? The evidence is in and Trudeau has been demonstrated to be nothing more than a charlatan that sells snake oil to sick people. Do you know where he falls on the list of all time worst humans? Somewhere not far behind murderers, rapists and pedophiles.

Why do you keep this up?

 

[skepdoc]

While I can't say whether Kevin Trudeau is a conartist or not, as I don't know if he actually believes his claims. I can say his ideas are completely wrong. One statement that makes me cringe is that cancer is caused by acidic blood. The body must keep the pH in a very narrow range just to survive (at ph 7.38-7.45) An acidic blood (less than 7.38) will start causing organ failure as proteins start to denature. Cancer is the least of your worries with an acidic pH, your body will literally start to fall apart molecularly. pHs near these physiological levels are survivable for short periods of time, large deviations of less than a tenth of a pH (note pH is a logrithmic relation to [H+]) is not compatable with life.

Please, for the love of God (if you even believe in one) stop listening to this guy, his advice is going to get someone killed.

One more note: I keep seeing this guy's informercials on Pax and other stations at various low key times of the day and week, how much money does he have at his disposal from these book sales in order to buy so much television exposure. Buy the book, pollute otherwise perfectly good tv watching.