Is Amway A Scam?

icerat said:
A question for you MP - from the information given so far, do you believe C1REX is "actively engag[ing] in the activities necessary to realize the benefits of the MLM plan"?
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I don't know. The weasel word in that is "benefits." Perhaps having new pseudo-friends is enough of a benefit. Let us stipulate C1REX is realizing a benefit of some sort or other, where does that leave us?

If, for example he/she is satisfied that Amway is producing value for money/effort, does that mean Amway, in his/her case, isn't a scam? I would object to that on the grounds that homeopathy is a scam, regardless of what purchasers believe about it. Arguably, anyone who participates in Amway believes it's worthwhile to some degree. The question is whether or not those beliefs are well founded.
 
marplots said:
I don't know. The weasel word in that is "benefits." Perhaps having new pseudo-friends is enough of a benefit. Let us stipulate C1REX is realizing a benefit of some sort or other, where does that leave us?

If, for example he/she is satisfied that Amway is producing value for money/effort, does that mean Amway, in his/her case, isn't a scam? I would object to that on the grounds that homeopathy is a scam, regardless of what purchasers believe about it. Arguably, anyone who participates in Amway believes it's worthwhile to some degree. The question is whether or not those beliefs are well founded.
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An interesting point, though "plan" is defined otherwise -

Subsection 55(1) of the Act defines an MLM plan as a plan in which a participant receives compensation for the supply of a product to another participant, who in turn receives compensation for the supply of the same or another product to yet another participant in the MLM plan.

So clearly "benefits" is talking about compensation for the sale of products, not other potential benefits.
 
Amway today is pretty simple.
It's an internet shop with a possibility to make some extra money.
That's my opinion of course. Many people have different.

If somebody is interested then amway provides all the info.
Some may like the rules and others may not.
However, finding the whole idea unattractive doesn't make it a scam.
 
Been following this thread awhile. Amway must have some pretty attractive pricing on Kool-Aid. In the UK, of course.
 
icerat said:
Given that very few people who register with Amway are actually operating Amway businesses, then from that perspective, yes, few "sell outside the plan" - the few that are actually building Amway businesses.
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How do you know this? Can you give us a link to review and make our own conclusions.

Maybe they are working hard trying to sell and sponsor and getting no results. On paper, this hard working IBO would be the same as one who did nothing.
 
C1REX said:
Amway today is pretty simple.
It's an internet shop with a possibility to make some extra money.
That's my opinion of course. Many people have different.

If somebody is interested then amway provides all the info.
Some may like the rules and others may not.
However, finding the whole idea unattractive doesn't make it a scam.
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Just curious. How's your business going these days?
 
^^^ seconded ^^^

Plus, would like to know any thoughts about the "Amway experience," especially details about meetings and so forth.
 
marplots said:
^^^ seconded ^^^

Plus, would like to know any thoughts about the "Amway experience," especially details about meetings and so forth.
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I hope he will return to discuss his experiences in the Amway business. It would be a shame if he doesn't return.
 
Hi guys,

I restarted my business on 3rd of May as my son born that day:)
I've finally made a decision that I want to do it seriously.

At this point I have 5 people in my first line and I think that's plenty. I will focus to help build depth now so people can get some money and reach additional cash back bonus on their own shopping.

Amway UK is unique as the pricing is super competitive. I can't imagine how hard work it is in Poland for example.

I've also realised that if somebody want to do it as a profession then need to study this subject like for a white collar job.
 
marplots said:
Keep us posted. It's been three months so far.
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3 month of doing nothing. :boxedin:
I had a presentation today and have another 1 tomorrow. (hopefully :p)
My mother-in-law does MLM for 20 years and she came to visit us and see the baby. I've learn a lot in the last few days and realised how much more I need to learn. She is amazing.

This business requires skills. :rolleyes:
 
C1REX said:
I restarted my business on 3rd of May as my son born that day:)
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congratulations!

I've finally made a decision that I want to do it seriously.
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We started seriously in February ourselves and ... shock horror ... it's working, with over £8300 in sales the past two months.

Amway UK is unique as the pricing is super competitive.
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It's not unique, it's just you don't have people like ... must be nice and not mention names on this forum! ... spreading misleading BS.

For example a couple of days ago I saw someone on a blog ranting about Amway selling $12 toothbrushes and saying it was a scam and you could do better at Walmart. Well guess what - Amway sells a pack of four toothbrushes for $12.85 (cheaper for reps), not one, and Walmart sells toothbrushes from 94 cents all the way up to $3.97 each!

I suppose those last ones must be a scam. Oh wait, it's got over a thousand reviews and a nearly 5 star ratings. Gee, maybe more expensive toothbrushes are actually better value?

The difference is, C1REX, you've actually learned about the products (like Olive acidity! who knew? :) ) and gone out and done your own price comparisons. I've done the same in Sweden. I've found many products super competitive, many good value, and some I didn't think are good value - just like any other supplier.

I can't imagine how hard work it is in Poland for example.
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Quality products are much the same price, comparatively speaking, in Poland as they are anywhere else, and they have a pretty large upper middle class with good incomes who like to buy quality stuff.

I've also realised that if somebody want to do it as a profession then need to study this subject like for a white collar job.
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yup. Of course, what people often do is decide it looks simple, so they don't need to learn anything, so they go do lots of stuff we know doesn't work ... and it predictably doesn't ... and then they quit and claim Amway doesn't work! Well duh - if you'd bothered to ask we could have told you what you insist on doing won't work!
 
C1REX said:
Hi guys,

I restarted my business on 3rd of May as my son born that day:)
I've finally made a decision that I want to do it seriously.
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Congratulations on becoming a dad!

Just curious, do you have your own plan to accomplish your goals or are you following a "system"?

Please post occasional updates!

Good luck
 
icerat said:
congratulations!



We started seriously in February ourselves and ... shock horror ... it's working, with over £8300 in sales the past two months.
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How many are you, and what is the approximate net profit of the sales?
 
eirik said:
How many are you, and what is the approximate net profit of the sales?
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Net profit for whom? I'd expect Amway came out ahead. Others in the mix, we have been informed, may not be driven by the profit motive. There's the "buyer's club" model, the "building a business" model, and the ever popular, "business education through doing" model. One doesn't have to make any money to have a satisfactory experience.

(Forgot the "lowering my taxes" model.)

ETA: There's another model I've seen which hasn't come up in these discussions. It's the "I enjoy the community" model. I've seen this where a group becomes more of the focus than the actual business. Things like peer interaction and support in a kind of community atmosphere. Think church or social club.
 
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Sweet so both Icerat and c1rex have both said they are now working the business hard. It'll be interesting to see where you guys are in say a year or two.

I have to admit these little hobby businesses are hilarious to look at. Even if they work it hard for years and reach the diamond level the income is still kinda sad (unless of course you are part of the tools scam and make your money from that).
 
NewtonTrino said:
Sweet so both Icerat and c1rex have both said they are now working the business hard. It'll be interesting to see where you guys are in say a year or two.

I have to admit these little hobby businesses are hilarious to look at. Even if they work it hard for years and reach the diamond level the income is still kinda sad (unless of course you are part of the tools scam and make your money from that).
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Icerat claims to have (once upon a time) built his business to "around" the platinum level. He should be fine because in his area, everyone builds Amway ethically, nobody lies or tricks anyone into attending meetings. In fact he says most people haven't even heard of Amway, let alone heard anything negative. Makes me wonder if he's been locked in a basement somewhere. He also claimed he moved countries but his original customers have kept on buying from him despite that.

C1rex might be able to build as the UK had some reform as a result of the BERR intervention with Amway. Some changes were made which included price reductions and some tool restrictions.

If they keep reporting progress it should be interesting.
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...bail-after-second-arrest-since-last-year.html

The Amway India CEO has been arrested again. While someone like icerat will claim it's a mistake or that India doesn't understand how Amway works, it makes you wonder just how close to the line Amway operates in India.

Are the operations "barely" legal? If not, how could the authorities be mistaken about how Amway works? Or does Amway teeter totter with legality in India? This is interesting for sure, especially with Herbalife under investigation as we speak.
 
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