Is Amway A Scam?

[Joecool]

Who said that? I don't think BWW has ever been the biggest organization in Amway?

Thoug we never clarified where you are did we? BWW is biggest in India, where it's causing all sorts of problems.



And I acknowledge other people (like Sam and Joecool) have different experiences to mine. What irritates me is people think their experience is the "one true Amway experience" and others don't exist. So nice to see someone with flexibility

The evidence and testimonies that one can find indicates that the tools selling groups are more alike than not.

They are for profit companies that sell support materials to IBOs. These companies make good money even if every single IBO who uses the tools loses their shirts. There is no evidence that these support systems actually help IBOs succeed (aside from statistical outliers).

Basically, the diamonds are salesmen for the support systems and they use their amway achievement as credibility because amway is the venue for recruiting prospects. Thus they show off lifestyles and fancy sports cars and things to show the illusion of wealth to get people enticed into joining.

While icerat might claim his group is different, they are not. They are a for profit tools company that makes a profit regardless of how their IBOs fare in Amway. I doubt that network 21 IBOs do any bettter than the rest of the IBO population as a whole, regardless of icerat's individual testimony. The Amway income disclosures back up my story more than it does icerat's.

I believe .26% or about 1 in 400 reach the platinum level, which is where you allegedly begin to make a net profit (if you are consuming tools).

 

[icerat]

Being part of BWW leadership, and having WWDB conference in my city, I can assure you this information you have is wrong

They're definitely generating fewer complaints. WWDB too. What do you put this down to?

Oh yeah, I am well aware BWW is not even close to be the biggest or most profitable in Amway. Yet, Amway reps come to BWW conferences to claim that, and 90% of the people do buy that

Hmmm, might be possible BWW has the largest number of affiliated currently qualified platinums in North America. A lot of growth in Indian and Hispanic groups.

 

[Joecool]

They're definitely generating fewer complaints. WWDB too. What do you put this down to?
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Total BS. How would you know the number of complaints that are generated by WWDB abd BWW?

 

[Sam0005]

Total BS. How would you know the number of complaints that are generated by WWDB abd BWW?

I was curious about the same. What is the process of knowing fewer complaints? Platinum+ in our group receive such information (such as new policies from Amway etc.), but I dont recall any diamond mentioning that..

 

[icerat]

I was curious about the same. What is the process of knowing fewer complaints? Platinum+ in our group receive such information (such as new policies from Amway etc.), but I dont recall any diamond mentioning that..

I mean in terms of "internet complaints". I monitor internet chatter about Amway and a few other MLMs and there's A LOT less "negative" about Amway in recent years.

 

[Joecool]

I mean in terms of "internet complaints". I monitor internet chatter about Amway and a few other MLMs and there's A LOT less "negative" about Amway in recent years.

One could also make the same counter argument that there are a lot less positive about Amway as well.

The lack of negative comments on the internet (I believe) is because information is readily available to people come here, read the comments on a thread like this and don't join in the first place. Back when I had joined, the internet was fairly new and didn't have the wealth of information that it has now.

 

[Sam0005]

I mean in terms of "internet complaints". I monitor internet chatter about Amway and a few other MLMs and there's A LOT less "negative" about Amway in recent years.

Not sure about other groups, but in my Diamond and Double Diamond's organization, it is almost repeated in every other training session to not to indulge to any online discussion about Amway. Why? Because that will waste your time, and it would be better to invest your time in "contacting".. Heck, I am ashamed to have covered this topic myself once.

 

[icerat]

Not sure about other groups, but in my Diamond and Double Diamond's organization, it is almost repeated in every other training session to not to indulge to any online discussion about Amway. Why? Because that will waste your time, and it would be better to invest your time in "contacting".. Heck, I am ashamed to have covered this topic myself once.

It's a difficult issue. For any individual, they are most likely correct. But for the group as a whole they would be better off engaging in sensible debate rather than leaving all the talking to the "critics".

Amway tends to be on the "don't talk" side of the ledger because they know there's a risk of IBOs saying things that may put them at legal risk (eg health claims, income claims etc) - an extremely difficult area to police on the internet as the laws (as well as Amway's rules) are often different in different markets.

 

[Octavo]

Amway tends to be on the "don't talk" side of the ledger because they know there's a risk of IBOs saying things that may put them at legal risk (eg health claims, income claims etc) - an extremely difficult area to police on the internet as the laws (as well as Amway's rules) are often different in different markets.

Doesn't it hint that there's a problem when this is an actual issue for your business?

I don't see any franchises or similar businesses muzzling their local reps for fear of claims that could land them in hot water.

 

[marplots]

Doesn't it hint that there's a problem when this is an actual issue for your business?

I don't see any franchises or similar businesses muzzling their local reps for fear of claims that could land them in hot water.

I gotta believe Mac Donald's and the like are pretty touchy about their corporate brand though.

 

[icerat]

Doesn't it hint that there's a problem when this is an actual issue for your business?

The "independent agent" model has it's strengths and weaknesses. The fact that others behaviour affects your own businesses reputation is unquestionably a weakness, yes.

I don't see any franchises or similar businesses muzzling their local reps for fear of claims that could land them in hot water.

see below

I gotta believe Mac Donald's and the like are pretty touchy about their corporate brand though.

I have a friend whose full-time job was to go around secretly visiting different McDonald's to ensure they were compliant with their rules.

 

[Joecool]

It's a difficult issue. For any individual, they are most likely correct. But for the group as a whole they would be better off engaging in sensible debate rather than leaving all the talking to the "critics".

Amway tends to be on the "don't talk" side of the ledger because they know there's a risk of IBOs saying things that may put them at legal risk (eg health claims, income claims etc) - an extremely difficult area to police on the internet as the laws (as well as Amway's rules) are often different in different markets.

Many corporations like McDonald's will have secret shopper types to monitor their stores. I believe facebook has fulltime staff that monitor their website to remove inappropriate material.

I don't see why Amway couldn't hire someone to monitor the web to warn IBOs in violation of Amway rules and/or to educate IBOs. Unless of course you are sitting in that position now.

 

[nothanks]

4 years have gone by

So, how are the Amway businesses going? It has been four years since anyone has posted to this thread.

 

[The Atheist]

Given that 99% of MLM "buyers" fail miserably and four years having passed, I reckon they're 4% better off than they were four years ago.

 

[zooterkin]

A rare exception to Betteridge’s Law of Headlines.

 

[Sideroxylon]

So, how are the Amway businesses going? It has been four years since anyone has posted to this thread.

Hey havent seen you for ages! Hows the family? We should all get together.

 

[Joecool]

Not so sure about individuals but Amway corporation has revenues of 11.8 billion in 2013 and has decreased each year since, coming in at 8.6 billion in 2017. That's a little more than a 25% decrease.

I suspect there are fewer ferraris and mansions being purchased by the "diamonds" and other bejeweled Amway higher ups.

 

[blutoski]

Not so sure about individuals but Amway corporation has revenues of 11.8 billion in 2013 and has decreased each year since, coming in at 8.6 billion in 2017. That's a little more than a 25% decrease.

I suspect there are fewer ferraris and mansions being purchased by the "diamonds" and other bejeweled Amway higher ups.

They're buying federal [Secretaryships] nowadays.

 

[The Atheist]

It still makes me laugh to see the people who told me as far back as the mid-80s how they'd be driving the Ferraris, but still in Mazdas.

 

[blutoski]

It still makes me laugh to see the people who told me as far back as the mid-80s how they'd be driving the Ferraris, but still in Mazdas.

A friend of mine who has been doing MLMs of various types (Amway is consistent, though, aaaaalways Amway) was just using gofundme to ask people to pay for her car repair last month.

Amway associate since 1986 IIRC, and married a guy who has probably been doing it longer. They remain convinced their fortune is just around the corner.