Is Al-Jazeera anti-American?

If you accept the Shrub's pre-Iraq dictum, "You are either with us or against us, they are anti-American.

If you live in the world of rational people, they are just strongly pro-Arab. Live with it.

Roger. Living with the threat of 300 million mad-as-hell Arabs coming at us because their revolution failed because we didn't do precisely what our al-Jazeera programmer told us.

Living with it...living with it....

Screw it. I'm tired of living with that strongly pro-Arab crap already.
 
Roger. Living with the threat of 300 million mad-as-hell Arabs coming at us because their revolution failed because we didn't do precisely what our al-Jazeera programmer told us.

Did it ever occur to you that the reason they are pissed off in the first place is that we decided to use our military and ecconomic power to dictate to them what sort of government would be acceptable?

They tend not to like that sort of crap in other parts of the world.

Live with it.
 
Did it ever occur to you that the reason they are pissed off in the first place is that we decided to use our military and ecconomic power to dictate to them what sort of government would be acceptable?

They tend not to like that sort of crap in other parts of the world.

Live with it.

Living with it...living with it...

Hey, wait a minute. We don't give a rat's ass what kind of governments they prefer, now or ever. It is what they do under the incompetent direction of their screwball leaders that concerns us.

Now you live with that.
 
Roger. Living with the threat of 300 million mad-as-hell Arabs coming at us because their revolution failed because we didn't do precisely what our al-Jazeera programmer told us.

Living with it...living with it....

Screw it. I'm tired of living with that strongly pro-Arab crap already.

switch channel then.

:rolleyes:
 
Living with it...living with it...

Hey, wait a minute. We don't give a rat's ass what kind of governments they prefer, now or ever. It is what they do under the incompetent direction of their screwball leaders that concerns us.

Yeah, well, as long as it stays within their borders, it isn't your business.

Now you live with that.
 
Yeah, well, as long as it stays within their borders, it isn't your business.

Now you live with that.

Live with it? I'd be ecstatic if they would stay in their borders. That's what I liked about Mubarak. He stayed in his borders. Now, if they can just come up with somebody who can lead, is not an aspiring Israel-genocider, and not a domestic oppressor, then surely heaven wheels above us.

But that would almost be like a Supreme Being in that part of the world.
 
Yeah, well whatever. It is only our business when he steps outside his borders and onto ours.

Otherwise, leave it to the Egyptians.
 
Yeah, well whatever. It is only our business when he steps outside his borders and onto ours.

Otherwise, leave it to the Egyptians.

I'm very sorry, but I'm afraid it's a bit more complicated than that. I'm afraid "he" will have to be required to stay in his borders, not just out of ours. We have allies, we have interests, and we have needs. We live in this rathole just like all the other rats, we're bigger than the average rat, and we will have a say in what happens in here.

Live with it.
 
We live in this rathole just like all the other rats, we're bigger than the average rat, and we will have a say in what happens in here.

Live with it.

I generally consider it a justification for other countries to hate another country if the object of their hatred is so arrogant as to assume that their authority extends beyond their borders. Didn't we have the same sort of problems with the Germans a few decades back?
 
I generally consider it a justification for other countries to hate another country if the object of their hatred is so arrogant as to assume that their authority extends beyond their borders. Didn't we have the same sort of problems with the Germans a few decades back?

You still don't understand, and I suspect you never will.

We don't initiate these periodic monkey rampages. We just step in when we feel we must. Before WWI, we didn't even do that. And 2 serial world wars quickly ensued, and hundreds of thousands of American lives were sucked into the repeating maelstroms.

But since the advent of U.S. interventionism, there have been no more world wars, and the world is more peaceful today than it has ever been.

Let's take Egypt as an example. For 30 years, Egypt has stayed within her borders. For 30 years, The U.S. has paid Egypt protection money. For 30 years, no foreign boots have been on Egyptian soil.

Before the 30 years of peace, Egypt had Israelis on the banks of the Nile river, because Egypt could not find it within herself to live and let live. But Egypt learned to live and let live, the hard way. The way they always learn. Slow and hard. Too bad she never learned to govern herself in a civilized manner. But that's not our fault. And it's not our fault the Egyptians have never learned how to have a peaceful transfer of power. We do it. If the Egyptians didn't want us paying Mubarak to stay in his borders, then they should have kicked him out and put someone else in, by whatever jacked-up means they do that, a long time ago, before we signed the peace treaty with Mubarak.
 
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dude.....why has no one said this before??????????

that is true genius.

the same could totally said about another country, which I shall not mention at this time.

;)


I can't think which one you might mean. Except that one that you're always talking about, I suppose.
 
You still don't understand, and I suspect you never will.

We don't initiate these periodic monkey rampages.

You are pretty close to crossing a line beyond which I can feel no slightest respect for your positions or your feelings. At the very best, you are dispalying an unseemly and arrogant sort of jingoism.

We just step in when we feel we must. Before WWI, we didn't even do that. And 2 serial world wars quickly ensued, and hundreds of thousands of American lives were sucked into the repeating maelstroms.

Bull flops. Spanish American War, Phillipine Occupation, banana wars in Central America. All for the profit of corporate interests under the guise of defending somebody else's right to have a decent government (defined as one of which we approved.)

If the Egyptians didn't want us paying Mubarak to stay in his borders, then they should have kicked him out and put someone else in, by whatever jacked-up means they do that, a long time ago, before we signed the peace treaty with Mubarak.

They really hadn't much choice in the matter, did they?
 
But Egypt learned to live and let live, the hard way through billions of dollars in American bribe money. The way they always learn. Slow and hard.

fixed that for ya.

and Egypt didn't do anything, their dictator did.
 
You are pretty close to crossing a line beyond which I can feel no slightest respect for your positions or your feelings. At the very best, you are dispalying an unseemly and arrogant sort of jingoism.

What happens when I cross the line and you stop feeling the slightest respect for my positions and feelings? Is that when I find out what leftysergeant leftism is really all about? Is that when I lose my freedom of speech and everything? Is that when you really begin to oppress me instead of merely badgering me?

Oh, and how many of history's bloodiest wars did the U.S. start?

And how many of history's bloodiest wars was the U.S. instrumental in ending?

And what expansionist designs of what evil, murderous empire were stymied by the U.S.?

You'll need to come up with some tricky answers to those questions for your position to have any credibility whatsoever.

Bull flops. Spanish American War, Phillipine Occupation, banana wars in Central America. All for the profit of corporate interests under the guise of defending somebody else's right to have a decent government (defined as one of which we approved.)

Check. U.S. had no right to venture outside it's own borders. Not even to defend the property of U.S. citizens abroad.

BTW, by your own treatment, those were not interventions in the sense of the U.S. post-WWII interventionist policy to which I was clearly referring, and some were almost bloodless. Thus your dodge is irrelevant to my outline of the results of the interventionist policy the U.S. pursued after WWII, which you conveniently ignored because you have no argument.

How many governments of which the U.S. disapproves do you consider to be "decent"? How many "decent" governments do you feel the U.S. has overthrown since WWII? I want to see if there is any correlation in your claims.

They really hadn't much choice in the matter, did they?

What's your point? Should the U.S. have intervened and set up a democratic government in Egypt? Remember, you already nixed that, back a few posts when it was momentarily convenient for you to demand that the U.S. stay entirely out of other countries' affairs, no matter what they're doing. Plus, you've already been screeching like a wounded banshee about Iraq for a decade. So how would you, leftiesergeant, moral arbiter of Amerikkka, go about correcting the Egyptians lack of choice, now that the Egyptians lack of choice has conveniently, almost majically, become Amerikkka's fault?
 
So how would you, leftiesergeant, moral arbiter of Amerikkka, go about correcting the Egyptians lack of choice, now that the Egyptians lack of choice has conveniently, almost majically, become Amerikkka's fault?

...interesting. :rolleyes:
 
fixed that for ya.

and Egypt didn't do anything, their dictator did.

That's exactly right. Egypt didn't do anything. And it took a bribed dictator like Mubarak to stop them from repeatedly beating their heads against the stone wall of Israel.

despite being the progenitors of the 2nd oldest civilization on earth, the current crop of Egyptians are still working on figuring out how to have a simple, peaceful transfer of power - something we Americans have been doing routinely since our inception.

Now don't get all excited and politically correct. All this is just constructive criticism. It's like my boot camp drill instructor once yelled at us during a particularly egregious moment in our collective history as "privates":

"Who ARE you people, and what the frack are you doing in my beloved Corps?"

So. Who are these people, and what are they doing occupying the same ground upon which once stood earth's second oldest civilization?

Muslims?? No. True Egyptians were never Muslims. They were never democrats either, but they could at least manage a peaceful transfer of power without a freaking civil war. Plus, they could build pyramids, fortunately for the current denizens, who are dependent on the tourist trade arising from the remains of the ancient civilization for their sustenance.
 
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Check. U.S. had no right to venture outside it's own borders. Not evenespecially not to defend the property of U.S. citizens abroad.

You were partly right. I marked the corrections need.

How many governments of which the U.S. disapproves do you consider to be "decent"? How many "decent" governments do you feel the U.S. has overthrown since WWII? I want to see if there is any correlation in your claims.

Killing Allende was a crime for which a few people should have hanged.

What's your point? Should the U.S. have intervened and set up a democratic government in Egypt? Remember, you already nixed that, back a few posts when it was momentarily convenient for you to demand that the U.S. stay entirely out of other countries' affairs, no matter what they're doing. Plus, you've already been screeching like a wounded banshee about Iraq for a decade. So how would you, leftiesergeant, moral arbiter of Amerikkka, go about correcting the Egyptians lack of choice, now that the Egyptians lack of choice has conveniently, almost majically, become Amerikkka's fault?

Democracy cannot be imposed from without. Japan and Germany only moved in that direction because they saw that they had brought themselves to ruin by putting up with dictatorship.

Iraq was just sucker punched by a moron. There was no popular push for democracy. They have some long odds against trhem.
 

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