Is abortion always a sin?

[Skeptical Greg]

First, I don't like dealing with sarcasm, snide remarks, heckling and jacking, or any other type of buffoonery. So if you wish to continue to communicate with me I strongly suggest that you modify your approach.

.................... So, any form of criticism constitutes any or all of the above?

Second, who I ignore or don't ignore should be none of your concern. I am well within the accepted parameters of forum rules. If you have a beef with forum rules take your gripe to the administrators.

You mistake ' observation ' for ' concern '.. I would think one who throws around Bible quotes so freely, might respond to someone who answers with an apparent knowledge of your source..


Astronomy is a lifelong hobby of mine.
That small insignificant innacuracy was caused by the exhaustion of answering too many posts.

Everyone makes mistakes...........

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is abortion always a sin?

Sin?
Sin is whenever we purposefully causes unnecessary harm to another creature or or ourseves.

This would indicate you do not believe in the concept of ' original sin ' ..

By your definition, it would seem to me that Adam and Eve did not sin when they ate from the tree of knowledge, since before they ate the fruit, they had no knowledge of good and evil?

 

[Beancounter]

The operative word here is "made"hayah which can be translated as "become; cause to appear or arise;

In view that God already tells us that he had created the universe--it is logical to concluded that what "hayah" here means is not "create "but made to appear" .

Since there was a water canopy between earth and the heavenly bodies, the thinning out of this canopy in order to make the heavenly bodies visible is logically what the Hebrew word refers to.

Ok, again the thinning part is being interpolated from the "facts". As to whether there was water up in space or whereever, that has been discussed elsewhere. Incidently, how did it stay up? And if it stayed up, why did it come down?

Because understanding these things is not necessary for a person's salvation. It is totally irrelevant to it. The total focus of the Bible is redemption from the fallen condition that our first parents brought upon us. So in relation to that -- God considered all these other things are trivia.

So why have we discovered this now? If it is all irrelevant surely an omniscient god would disseminate scientific information on a need to know basis - i.e. we would still be living in tents around camp fires and hunting with spears

Yes I agree.
But he considered it unnecessary for our guidence.

See above

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God_breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

I emphasize the all - there is some pretty rough stuff in there as well - but I suppose that is for the rebuking and correcting part - "naughty humans!". Makes you feel a bit worthless, a bit like a pet, don't you think.

Is a Bible reader supposed to shut his eyes at the obvious for fear that he will be accused of interpreting to fit?

No, but my concern is that things only appear to be "obvious" (and I have my reservations about many of the interpretations cited) after the event. Hindsight is a perfect science - see my comment on the ET thread - lets assume ET's do exist, is there a ref. to this in the bible? If yes, where, if no then can you categorically say that, per the bible, ETs do not exist? If they then arrive? Irrelevant to our salvation? If they are warlike I suspect they may have quite a big say in our continued existence.

About correlation,
Repeated positive correlation is scientifically accepted as being a strong indicator of causality and is a justifiable basis upon which to make the inductive leap leading to a deductive premise involving a generalization.

For example, the Temporal priority of lightning is repeatedly observed in relation to thunder.
So a positive correlation here has been understood as indicating causation.

I would agree with you 100% except that the correlation is between actual events and extreme interpretations of the bible not the bible as it was written (lightniong and thunder on the other hand are unadulterated phenomena). If one was to re-write the bible today with all of the interpretations that are being made by the christian scientists et al it would be a very different book to the one that exists in my book shop. I just can't help feeling that it smacks of the treatment given to the prophesies of Nostradamus and I am sure you don't give much creedence to him.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by Woodpecker
Since there was a water canopy between earth and the heavenly bodies, the thinning out of this canopy in order to make the heavenly bodies visible is logically what the Hebrew word refers to.

The waters are ABOVE the heaven (=firmament) and the heavenly bodies are IN the firmament.

Genesis:

"1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. [...]

1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,"


The heavenly bodies are between the waters above and the earth and not vice versa.

 

[Doctor X]

Diogenes:

He is simply afraid to question.

--J.D.

 

[Radrook]

The waters are ABOVE the heaven (=firmament) and the heavenly bodies are IN the firmament.

Genesis:

"1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. [...]

1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,"


The heavenly bodies are between the waters above and the earth and not vice versa.

That's the way they would appear to situated from our vantage point on earth.


Excerpt:

The Order of Creation According to the Bible
Creation of the entire physical universe (matter,1 energy,2 space3 and time4) from the invisible (16 x 109 years ago).

5 This creation event includes an expanding universe,6 which continues to expand at this time.

6 Preparation of planet earth for the creation of life.
The Bible describes the Earth's initial conditions following its creation when the Sun is already shining. The Bible also says that the Earth is controlled by the heavens and not the other way around (geocentrism is refuted).

7 The original Earth is described as being without any oceans or water at all (4.5 x 109 years ago).

8 Science tells us that the Earth's water probably came from cometary collisions that were common during the early history of the Solar System.

9 The main biblical creation account (Genesis 1) begins after the formation of the Earth's oceans with a description of the Earth as a water-covered planet covered by dense clouds (4.0 x 109 years ago).

10 The dense atmosphere is partially cleared so that light can strike the surface of the earth. (3.9 x 109 years ago).
Formation of a stable water cycle (3.9 x 109 years ago).

11
Formation of continents, including an accurate description of the tectonic activity that produced the continents (2.7 x 109 years ago)

12
Creation of plants on the land and their subsequent "production by the land," possibly including some naturalistic processes (0.9 x 109 years ago).

13 Transformation of the atmosphere from translucent transparent as the Sun, Moon, and stars show through the atmosphere. (0.9-0.6 x 109 years ago)
Creation of swarms of small sea animals and their subsequent "great increase" or "teeming by the water" (consistent with the Cambrian explosion) possibly involving some naturalistic processes. (0.5-0.3 x 109 years ago)

14 Creation of birds (140-60 x 106 years ago)

15 Creation of sea mammals (60-50 x 106 years ago)

16 Creation of land mammals that interact with humans (30-15 x 106 years ago)

17 creeping land mammals (e.g., rodents)
large quadraped land mammals (e.g., cattle)
wild land mammals (e.g., carnivores)
Creation of modern humans (100-50 x 103 years ago)18


The Bible is unique among ancient creation accounts in that its description of the order of creation is 100% accurate.

Biblical Creationary Model for the Universe and Life on Earth
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/model.html