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Is 5G Technology Really A Health Risk?

Babbylonian said:
While I acknowledge I may be reading too much into it, the highlighted seems like code for "no Jews."


As for the topic at hand, my first question to cell phone radiation panickers is always this: Why haven't you been protesting radio and TV? Our cells have been saturated with Jerry Mathers and Lucille Ball for a very long time.
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Hmmm... Given the current world perhaps there is something in this after all..... ;)
 
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casebro said:
Flipping channels this after noon I caught a blurb like "only applies to products sold to the Gov.". Hence the 'security' concerns.

But where do you draw the line? Any cell tower transmission equipment just might carry pentagon comms...
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Pretty much all the infrastructure can be remotely patched so even" clean" technology may not remain clean, and given that the alternative technology supplier seems to be Cisco I have little confidence in 1G being secure! (Actually analog may be secure these days!)
 
That reminds me (off topic warning!) of a few years ago when I came out of a supermarket, walked up to our car, pulled out my key and pushed the button, and was rewarded with an answering beep. Except it was the wrong key and our car was still locked.
I've since regretted not pushing the lock button to lock it back up. Whoever's it was.
 
Trebuchet said:
That reminds me (off topic warning!) of a few years ago when I came out of a supermarket, walked up to our car, pulled out my key and pushed the button, and was rewarded with an answering beep. Except it was the wrong key and our car was still locked.
I've since regretted not pushing the lock button to lock it back up. Whoever's it was.
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Nothing new in that. Back in the "analogue" key world of the 1970's and 1980's the same physical key could open several different cars. One friend's Morris 1800's key also opened another friend's MG1300.
 
I used to have a couple of keys that would run other things. Back when I was a kid, I had for backyard disassembly and old 1941 Chevy, and its key would start nearly any Chevy whose indulgent owner would let me try it. Years later I found my Honda's key would fit my cousin's Honda.

Unfortunately, the remotes for my various ratty old Jeeps have never opened any others, so no new Jeeps for a while.
 
The Don said:
Nothing new in that. Back in the "analogue" key world of the 1970's and 1980's the same physical key could open several different cars. One friend's Morris 1800's key also opened another friend's MG1300.
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We have two Toyotas, different models and years. The keys look the same and I have keys for both cars on the same key ring. A few weeks ago I drove my car home from work and discovered that I had started it with the valet key for my wife's car.
 
Steve said:
We have two Toyotas, different models and years. The keys look the same and I have keys for both cars on the same key ring. A few weeks ago I drove my car home from work and discovered that I had started it with the valet key for my wife's car.
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I was aware that car manufacturers often employ only a limited number of "keyings" when creating mechanical keys and locks, so that a given Toyota mechanical key can open and start a significant number of Toyotas. This saves money, makes record keeping easier, and probably reflects the limits on the number of different keyings that can be physically imposed on a key/lock system (compared to the millions and millions of Toyotas sold).

But I had assumed that the electronic lock codes were much more diverse from car to car. but maybe not (re Trebuchet's post).
 
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Giordano said:
I was aware that car manufacturers often employ only a limited number of "keyings" when creating mechanical keys and locks, so that a given Toyota mechanical key can open and start a significant number of Toyotas. This saves money, makes record keeping easier, and probably reflects the limits on the number of different keyings that can be physically imposed on a key/lock system (compared to the millions and millions of Toyotas sold).

But I had assumed that the electronic lock codes were much more diverse from car to car. but maybe not (re Trebuchet's post).
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My experience suggests that they are at least a little more diverse. Remember too that owing to tolerances and wear, some keys, at least the older type, will substitute for near neighbors, especially if you jiggle a little.

So far on a number of cars I've never had a remote that operated another.
 
Trebuchet said:
Apparently the Russians are pushing this conspiracy theory. Don't know why.

https://bgr.com/2019/05/13/5g-vs-health-conspiracy-theories-originate-from-russia-nyt-explains/
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theprestige said:
Seems pretty obvious why.
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I'm not sure its so obvious, it seems to be just because they like to stir up ****.

Reality Check said:
Unlikely, Elagabalus. Huawei might be prevented from selling 5G telecom technology for vague "national security" reasons in a Trump executive order. Maybe the idea that data sent by 5G would be siphoned off to China. TVs are not telecom equipment so the order cannot be applied.
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How are TVs not telecom equipment?

Giordano said:
I was aware that car manufacturers often employ only a limited number of "keyings" when creating mechanical keys and locks, so that a given Toyota mechanical key can open and start a significant number of Toyotas. This saves money, makes record keeping easier, and probably reflects the limits on the number of different keyings that can be physically imposed on a key/lock system (compared to the millions and millions of Toyotas sold).

But I had assumed that the electronic lock codes were much more diverse from car to car. but maybe not (re Trebuchet's post).
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My understanding is that Japanese manufacturer's were especially notorious for there relatively small number of keyings.
 
"World’s Largest Study On Cell Tower Radiation Confirms Cancer Link"

“All of the exposures used in the Ramazzini study were below the US FCC limits. These are permissible exposures according to the FCC. In other words, a person can legally be exposed to this level of radiation. Yet cancers occurred in these animals at these legally permitted levels. The Ramazzini findings are consistent with the NTP study demonstrating these effects are a reproducible finding,” explained Ronald Melnick Ph.D., formerly the Senior NIH toxicologist who led the design of the NTP study on cell phone radiation now a Senior Science Advisor to Environmental Health Trust (EHT). “Governments need to strengthen regulations to protect the public from these harmful non-thermal exposures.”
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- https://www.collective-evolution.co...on-cell-tower-radiation-confirms-cancer-link/
 
MattNelson said:
Let's talk about the issue. An Epoch Times article, "The Threat 5G Poses to Human Health: What you don't know will alarm you," by James Grundvig:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-threat-5g-poses-to-human-health_2790506.html

See my 5G thread in the conspiracy section also: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337575
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Which is where, IMHO, your posts in this thread belong.

As noted by another ISF member in your thread in that section, you seem very confused as to what “5G” actually is.
 
MattNelson said:
Let's talk about the issue. An Epoch Times article,
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This is The Epoch Times
The Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper[2] headquartered in New York City. The company was founded in 2000 by John Tang and a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement.[3] The newspaper covers general interest topics with a focus on news about China and human rights issues there. It draws from a network of sources inside China, as well as Chinese expatriates living in the West.[4][5][6][7] It has been criticised by mainstream news outlets for its favorable coverage of right-wing politicians in the West, including Donald Trump,[8][9][10] and of far-right groups in Germany.[11][12]
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This is not a credible source of science for a Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology thread.
 
MattNelson said:
"World’s Largest Study On Cell Tower Radiation Confirms Cancer Link"...
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"www.collective-evolution.com" is another dubious source for a Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology thread.

The study is Report of final results regarding brain and heart tumors in Sprague-Dawley rats exposed from prenatal life until natural death to mobile phone radiofrequency field representative of a 1.8 GHz GSM base station environmental emission
Their results were that Sprague-Dawley rats exposed only to the highest level of radiation had a statistically significant increase in the incidence of heart Schwannoma (male only) and a statistically insignificant increase in heart Schwann cells hyperplasia (male and female).

But: Leszczynski: Ramazzini study shows that cell tower radiation does not increase risk for Schwannoma and glioma casts doubts on their statistical analysis. A critical analysis of the latest cellphone safety scare covers the same ground - their data also supports reduction of the risk of cancer in some of the experimental groups! A sex bias is neglected (a control group in a Faraday cage developed tumors only in females, not males) leading to an exaggerated significance of males developing tumors n the test groups.
 
From that Epoch Times article we read:

Dr. Martin Pall, professor emeritus at Washington State University and one of the leading EMF experts in the world, presented at the National Institute of Health about the dangers of 5G, stating: “Each of these EMF effects will lead to existential threats to our survival … In mice, EMF led to a drop in reproduction to essentially zero. … 5G will incur much higher frequencies and pulsations to that of being in a microwave.”
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Find Dr. Pall's paper "5G: Great risk for EU, U.S. and International Health! Compelling Evidence for Eight Distinct Types of Great Harm Caused by Electromagnetic Field (EMF) Exposures and the Mechanism that Causes Them" here and here... and more of his research here: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Pall

See video with Dr. Pall, "Dr. Martin Pall To The NIH: 'The 5G Rollout Is Absolutely Insane.'"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBsUWbUB6PE
 
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