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Irrational Thinking: A Winner!

JoeEllison said:
The problem is, there's no giant "PC" conspiracy to suppress truth. Whatever "PC" might have meant, its current meaning has been hijacked by radicals to support their lies and bigotry. "Politically Correct" is often used in the same way that other woo woos use terms like "Darwinists" and "Western Medicine." It is a make-believe bogeyman, created to give themselves false credibility by pretending that "The Man" is holding them sown in some way. They can then use the fact that their nonsense has been rejected, as some sort of bizarre backwards "proof" that they are actually right.
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I'm sure Larry Sommers would agree.

Tokie
 
JoeEllison said:
Or, to put it another way, imagine two conversations that make my point.

Here's the first one:

Teetotaler: Hey there, buddy, I think you've got a drinking problem.

Casual Drinker: No I don't. I have a glass of wine with dinner occasionally, and sometimes we have a couple of beers on Poker Night, but other than--

Teetotaler: DENIAL!!

Casual Drinker: What?!?

Teetotaler: Denial is a sure sign of alcoholism! You're an alcoholic!

Casual Drinker: But, wouldn't someone who doesn't have a problem also say that they don't have a problem?

Teetotaler: ...well... everyone who drinks has a problem.

And the second:

Global Warming Denialist: Global Warming is a left wing plot to destroy the world's economy, plunge us into chaos, and make everyone wear hemp jeans and Birkenstocks. The worldwide community of scientists and the evil liberal media are conspiring with Al Gore and that evil crying Native American from those 1970's anti-pollution ads, in order to attack capitalism!!

Normal Person: Yeah, but... isn't that a little bit silly? No one would really act that way, and scientists working in labs have little to gain by just making stuff up. Frankly, the whole thing sounds like a nutty conspiracy theory, just like the 9/11 Twoofers, the JFK assassination weirdos, the UFO--

GW Denialist: HAH! You're part of the conspiracy! You hate America!

Normal Person: What?

GW Denialist: See, you've been corrupted by the conspiracy, the lies of the media and the hippies and the commies and the PC police and the other varied forces aligned against democracy and freedom!!



Ok, maybe that was a little exaggerated? But, it does bring up a good point: for some people, evidence presented for their claim is proof of their claim... and evidence against their claim is also proof of their claim, because it proves that there really is a conspiracy trying to suppress their "truth."
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If I din't know better, I'd almost believe you were in here, proving my point like this on purpose.

My guess is that you are so bereft of any ability to think rationally, that you actually believe you are disproving my point with this sort of thing...more projection, yes..but it may also signal some deeper issues.


You know...extreme forms of projection are prevalent in schizophrenics.

Tokie
 
mhaze said:
Without even trying I run across juxaposition of global warming and political correctness. First of many examples:
A group of prominent Argentine scientists disputes the theory that human activity is the cause of global warming and demand a “more serious debate”. Eduardo Tonni, head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata, notes that, while it’s not politically correct to dispute this theory, the evidence for global warming being a “natural” occurrence is far more compelling.​
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<<<crickets>>>>
 
Ladewig said:
Given that you recently started a global warming thread and never responded to the replies generated, I see no reason to read another one of your lengthy screeds. If you are serious about discussing this matter, then reply to any of the other global warming threads. If you are not serious about discussing the matter, then stop opening new threads.
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By the way. I was suspended shortly after posting this...too many complaints to the mods from people like you.

Tokie
 
Tokenconservative said:
Thank you, but make sure you understand exactly who I am taking a swipe at here...

Tokie
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Ohh, I do. Part of your argument is a swipe at my thoughts. This does not invalidate what you are saying. I am not so thin-skinned that I can not take a smack across the face and still take the logic and reason you have presented into my own thoughts. I know that I am not infallible. I prefer that my logic and reasoning is questioned, otherwise I am nothing more than an automaton.

I did not complement you because I agreed wholly with what you said. I do not. I complemented you because of the logic and reason you used to present your point.
 
Tokenconservative said:
Proof: Kyoto.

New facts: no...I'm not. That's what PCers say, though. But only if the facts aren't PC. It took most of the 90s for PCers to allow the truth about the warlike nature of the Maya, who were previously held to be peaceful, bucolic, pastoral people, to become well-known.

In that case, a couple or three careers were riding on it (in disciplines like archeo and anthro you only get one shot at making it big).

Tokie
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I've pulled off the shelf my copy of Prescott, "The conquest of Mexico and The Conquest of Peru". Dated: 1843. Authoritative reference.

Ready. Well, probably no one will dispute your statement.

Awww....
 
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Interesting stuff to some I'm sure, yet not Science, Math, Med, or Tech.

Mods, maybe a thread move to, say Social Issues?

Or should it be Conspiracy Theories?
 
I didn't see any conspiracy theory, just the issue of "political correctness in science" and how it affects conclusions or thinking about science. Could fit several places.
 
mhaze said:
I've pulled off the shelf my copy of Prescott, "The conquest of Mexico and The Conquest of Peru". Dated: 1843. Authoritative reference.

Ready. Well, probably no one will dispute your statement.

Awww....
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LOL.

It's long been known of course that the Maya were as bloody and savage as the Aztec (who likely borrowed parts of their savage religion from the Maya), but in keeping with the notions of the Noble Savage, since the savagery of the Aztec was well known (in fact, documents have come to light recently that seem to indicate they were even WORSE than the Conquistadore commanders let on, for fear of scaring the hell out of possible venture capitalists--cannibalism is at the root, and it only makes sense in such a protein poor place--and that it was not greed that led them to start the war against the Aztecs but horror at what they were seeing) it was decided that the Maya should present a ...prettier and more palatable picture and so for 50 or 6 years anyway, we were told how in contrast to the warlike Aztec, the Maya were peaceful and friendly, etc.

PC liked this view. Just as they continue to foster wild tales about N. American natives and how peaceful and loving they were.

When they weren't murdering and raping and enslaving each other, that is.

Tokie
 
martillo said:
Interesting stuff to some I'm sure, yet not Science, Math, Med, or Tech.

Mods, maybe a thread move to, say Social Issues?

Or should it be Conspiracy Theories?
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Yes!

Quickly!

Let us hide it away!

Let's tag it as a CT though it has no such earmarks!!

Diminish it!

Dismiss it!

Expel it!!!



And add proof.

A good idea.

Tokie
 
Tokenconservative said:
Yes!

Quickly!

Let us hide it away!

Let's tag it as a CT though it has no such earmarks!!

Diminish it!

Dismiss it!

Expel it!!!



And add proof.

A good idea.

Tokie
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As odd as it might seem, I tend to agree with many of your points. Yet, this thread does not belong in this section.

And your continued irrational outbursts like this one do nothing but poison the well.
 
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martillo said:
No, and we do have a philosophy section.


Not the last time I looked at the field. :)
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Behavioral science: a branch of science (as psychology, sociology, or anthropology) that deals primarily with human action and often seeks to generalize about human behavior in society


I think you may need to update your knowledge base.
 
mhaze said:
Without even trying I run across juxaposition of global warming and political correctness. First of many examples:
A group of prominent Argentine scientists disputes the theory that human activity is the cause of global warming and demand a “more serious debate”. Eduardo Tonni, head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata, notes that, while it’s not politically correct to dispute this theory, the evidence for global warming being a “natural” occurrence is far more compelling.​
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<laugh>

Recap:

Joe: AGW denialists often point to a ludicrous PC conspiracy as part of their argument.

mhaze: Nonsense! After a few minutes of searching I was easily able to find AGW denialists pointing to a ludicrous PC conspiracy as part of their argument.
 
martillo said:
As odd as it might, I tend to agree with many of your points. Yet, this thread does not belong in this section.

And your continued irrational outbursts like this one do nothing but poison the well.
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Are you not the one attempting to change the topic of discussion?:jaw-dropp
 
JoeEllison said:
Global Warming Denialist: Global Warming is a left wing plot to destroy the world's economy, plunge us into chaos, and make everyone wear hemp jeans and Birkenstocks. The worldwide community of scientists and the evil liberal media are conspiring with Al Gore and that evil crying Native American from those 1970's anti-pollution ads, in order to attack capitalism!!

Normal Person: Yeah, but... isn't that a little bit silly? No one would really act that way, and scientists working in labs have little to gain by just making stuff up. Frankly, the whole thing sounds like a nutty conspiracy theory, just like the 9/11 Twoofers, the JFK assassination weirdos, the UFO--

GW Denialist: HAH! You're part of the conspiracy! You hate America!

Normal Person: What?

GW Denialist: See, you've been corrupted by the conspiracy, the lies of the media and the hippies and the commies and the PC police and the other varied forces aligned against democracy and freedom!!

Ok, maybe that was a little exaggerated? "
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Uuuuummmm No. You're pretty spot on. That's more or less sounded like me during my days as a right-wing global warming (and general environmental) denier. Back then, I received most of my news and opinion from conservative squawk show hosts (e.g. Limbaugh, Reagan, a few local clones, etc.) and I ended up believing that environmentalism was all a bunch of invented doomsday scenarios (e.g. global warming, ozone depletion, acid rain, nuclear winter, etc) invented by Leftish scientists with an anti-capitalist/anti-American agenda. The express purposes of this conspiracy was to influence the governments of the world to enact legislation that would destroy the free market and plunge the country into a left-wing dictatorship.

Of course, I'm feeling much better now.
 
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