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Irrational Thinking: A Winner!

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Rational Thinkers vs. Anthropogenic Global Warmingists.
Why Rational Thinkers Have (Again) Failed

The issue of so-called Global Warming or its more en vogue nom de guerre, “Climate Change” has risen to utterly dominate any and all discussions of ecology, environment, weather and climate today. Primary to the argument that the planet is undergoing a period of marked, global rise in mean temperature is the “consensus” view that human industrial activity is the cause. Indeed, many scientific publications have for some time now refused to accept any related research that fails to recognize that “warming” is occurring and worse, any such research that fails to attribute this to human activity.

Today, it’s widely accepted in public science, in government and in the populace as a whole that global warming is happening and that humans are causing it to happen, and entire nations are poised to impoverish themselves based upon these “facts.”

Political Correctness: Silencing Dissent.
Anthropogenic Global Warming’s (AGW) closest ancestor is the political correctness movement that swept academia in the 1980s and ‘90s, and that continues today to put a chill on all academic research and reporting, but most especially in the liberal arts. This movement, designed by forces on the political left as a means of coercively driving thinking in a certain direction, has been very effective.

Relying upon a witch-hunt mentality and the positive feedback loop this can create in academic circles, it has been wildly successful--dissent has disappeared to the point where today, adherents are able to point to current works and at the same time both deny that PC is at work and proudly crow over it’s success in chilling dissenting opinion.

As in any witch-hunt, any who speak up quickly find themselves on the outs among true believers and abandoned by those frightened into agreement or at least silence. Any who dare research, teach or speak oppositely, no matter how innocently, quickly find themselves in hot water with their academic employers or educators.

Those who might have spoken out need observe only one classmate receiving failing grades or being snubbed from post-graduate studies, or to see but a single colleague whose contract is not renewed, or whose research is de-funded or denied altogether to get the message. Seeing all the heads on pikes at the gates to the academy, and fearing for their own current or future their careers, dissenting voices whether students or professors retreated to a point over the academic horizon in the ‘90s.

This feedback loop is insidious: the fewer who are kept from teaching, speaking, researching and learning honestly, the more it appears that “no one” is disagreeing. Soon, though it’s never admitted that such a thing even exists, the canon of works and research that receives funding fits the politically correct mold. Older works deemed outside these parameters are tarred with the “ism” brush and identified as “racist,” “sexist,” “homophobic,” “Euro centric,” or “patriarchal.”

Any living and still-working researchers who take exception to having their previously canonize works now dismissed as unacceptable for these reasons, are themselves shunned across academia and quickly find that unless they admit their past sins and convert to the new faith, they have become persona non grata in a world they once ruled.

In this way, true believers in the PC movement are able to silence researchers retroactively, remove their works and diminish those who were not so long ago, giants in their fields. By this devious process, PCers are then able to point to the current canon in confidence, noting how little published work there is that takes a view contrary to that acceptable to PC. And clearly if “no one” in the discipline thinks “that way,” it must be wrong!

Wherever the baleful eye of PC has turned, academicians have withered before it. Very, very few in academia have been able to withstand an attack of this sort. Studies of Christopher Columbus are case in point. No longer can Columbus be referred to as the visionary navigator, great leader of men or even the expert salesman he was.

Today, this man once revered by everyone from schoolchildren to sage academicians, must be viewed through the PC prism and can only be researched for his catalog of “racist and patriarchal crimes” against the native peoples he encountered, while his skills as a navigator and his vision and drive are blasted as “accidental” and “greedy.” To do otherwise invites censure by one’s peers and economic punishment from one’s institution and its financial backers.

Creationism and Intelligent Design: Prove it Didn’t Happen!
Beyond academia, and in fact seemingly utterly counter to it, are the Creationists and the Intelligent Design (ID) movements. While tracing their beginnings to a time before PC, the Creationists really didn’t get their feet under them until the ID movement that arose from the ashes of moderate Creationist defeat in the late 90s-early 2000s joined them. This movement co-opted real science and tweaked it to fit their religious mythologies. The infamous case of the fossil “human” footprints alongside those of a dinosaur had been a staple of the Creationist argument, never mind the logical flaws of the argument that goes: since scientists cannot prove that these footprints are not human then they must be human! ID has taken this sort of “reasoning” to dizzying new heights and argues that since toddler (or younger) sciences are unable to “prove” this or that, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that leaves only one possibility: some “intelligence” must have created it all!

IDers say that since the “missing links” in direct assent from primordial ooze to the man on the street are not present, the complexities of the human eye are too great to ascribe to the mere “chance” of evolution. IDers further demand that evolutionists explain the symbiotic organisms that reside only in the guts of so many animals. How, they demand, did these often microscopic creatures “know” to set up housekeeping in a tiger rather than a cow, or a man rather than a goanna?

Evolutionary science cannot provide grade school-level answers to these questions, and IDers know it. They use that fact to stand before PTAs and Kiwanis club meetings, or in “debates” with evolutionist paper tigers insisting that if science can’t provide a rock-solid explanation, right now, today, then it’s clear that it’s not evolution at work, but rather the “watchmaker!”

The antilogical “reasoning” used to arrive at such conclusions is intellectually stultifying. Rational thinkers tend to either look on in gape-mouthed amazement or to dismiss as utter poppycock such anti-intellectual, religiosity. After all, it’s not science’s job to prove or disprove a Creator. Unfortunately, stunned silence is purposefully identified by IDers as arrogant dismissal, which the IDer can then point to as more evidence that “they don’t know!” or that “they are afraid to face us!”

Now imagine coupling the sort of irrational thinking that informs ID with the witch-hunt mentality of PC. But wait! You don’t have to imagine it. It’s happening. It’s called AGW--Anthropogenic Global Warming. Zealous proponents within this movement, one that bears all the major hallmarks of a religion, have (unlike their opponents) clearly not ignored the lessons of the PC and ID movements.

They use all of the dissent-silencing fear of PC while fully engaging the irrationality and generally ignorance of advanced science used by ID. But they, like these, their ideological forebears, have also turned to that most reliable of all possible allies, an indefatigable partner that they know they can always count on to help: the very people who would argue against AGW.

When the PC and Creationism/ID movements made their most outrageous arguments, who was there to bolster those arguments by agreeing that these arguments were legitimate? Their rational opposition, of course, either with frightened acquiescence (PC) or silent dismay (ID). Today, AGW counts on rational thinkers to either remain silent in abject fear, or to engage in debate only on AGW terms.

AGW has defined the terms, the parameters, the rules and the boundaries of the discussion, and rather than returning the argument to the baseline where the brighter AGWists know they can be defeated, supposed rational thinkers spend all their time debating hockey sticks, or long-term temperature charts or microbe counts in ice cores--anything, it seems to avoid addressing the foundations of AGW which are a straw man and projection.

The AGWist formula is quite simple: The AGWist begins his or her argument and bases everything after that in the straw man assertion that disagreement with AGW is tacitly stating that climate is static. From here AGW argues with the further logical fallacies of guilt by association and the vested interest fallacy that lump all rationalist thinkers on this issue in with political conservatives working to preserve the profits of “Big Oil” and with religious views that hold to the “young earth” belief. So any rational thinker enters the debate identified (and permitting that identification) as a religious nutcase who believes the earth is only 6,000 years old, who is a tool of “Big Oil,” and who believes that climate does not change.

Couple this with the classic Freudian projection used by AGW, wherein one claims that some other demonstrates a personality trait or engages in actions that the claimant him or herself actually demonstrates (in it’s more radical presentations, this is a typical to schizoid behaviors) and you’ve got a formidable foe--if you ignore the fact that your foe’s arguments are based in these untenable foundations.

No truly rational thinker believes climate does not change. And while certainly some of those who “deny” global warming do so for religious reasons, most rational thinkers find this assertion astounding in its baldly dishonest misrepresentation of their views. The historical and geologic and other records are quite clear: climate changes. Often radically, and sometimes quite quickly. At the same time AGWist are claiming that all “deniers” believe in a static climate, they also claim that absent human industrial activity, climate would not be changing today--that climate is in fact static, that if not for man, climate would not be changing.

You can’t have your cake and eat it too. But rational thinkers have decided to give AGWists a pass on that old saw. Rational thinkers following the same pattern they have with the PC and ID movements is something AGW depend on. It’s as if it were a soccer (football) game in which your team’s coach says that it’s impolite to single out the fellow with the ball. Instead you can only block those on the field who hasn’t got the ball. Can there be any doubt as to the outcome of such a game?

As occurred in both the PC and ID movements, this habitual acquiescence to the opponents’ will, playing by his rules and observing his boundaries, has permitted the AGW movement to grow ever more shrill, hysterical and demanding, to the point where it is now threatening the economic health of entire nations.

While rational thinkers engage AGWists in long, heated debates over whether particulate matter in an ice core suggests 1 or 3+/- C warmer conditions 120,000 years ago, and allow AGWists to assert that behaviors certain animals have always engaged in are now evidence of anthropogenic global warming, or arguing what a two centimeter rise in sea level as opposed to a four centimeter rise will do to civilization, AGWists are having a good laugh.

Rational thinkers should be, well, rational. Why have they so easily and entirely given up the high ground time and time again? Why have they permitted their irrational, dangerous opponents to outflank them with this same maneuver again and again? Even a flatwork can be taught to avoid a heated blade. Rational thinkers behave like retarded sheep, falling into the same sink hole time and time again while AGWists, staunch opponents of rational thought, have clearly learned from the successes of their ideological kin in the PC and Creationism/ID movements.

Rather than running into the tall weeds chasing after rabbits, rational thinkers need to turn around and drop the buffalo standing in the middle of their camp. Address the foundational anti-logic of AGW (and PC and ID, too). Stop allowing those opposed to rationality, reason, and science, those working to erode Western civilization (and so far, succeeding) to set the rules, define the parameters and divert you from the baseline flaws of their arguments. Why expend weeks of your time and tens of thousands of words arguing with an AGWist over particulate counts in ice cores, walrus stampedes in the Arctic or emission standards in cars when their entire argument is built on fallacies?

I won’t hold my breath waiting for a nice juicy steak.

Tokie
 
Given that you recently started a global warming thread and never responded to the replies generated, I see no reason to read another one of your lengthy screeds. If you are serious about discussing this matter, then reply to any of the other global warming threads. If you are not serious about discussing the matter, then stop opening new threads.
 
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Given that you recently started a global warming thread and never responded to the replies generated, I see no reason to read another one of your lengthy screeds. If you are serious about discussing this matter, then reply to any of the other global warming threads. If you are not serious about discussing the matter, then stop opening new threads.

If he were serious, he wouldn't fill his little screeds with so many half-truths and outright lies.
 
and entire nations are poised to impoverish themselves based upon these “facts.”

Proof?


Wherever the baleful eye of PC has turned, academicians have withered before it. Very, very few in academia have been able to withstand an attack of this sort. Studies of Christopher Columbus are case in point. No longer can Columbus be referred to as the visionary navigator, great leader of men or even the expert salesman he was.

Today, this man once revered by everyone from schoolchildren to sage academicians, must be viewed through the PC prism and can only be researched for his catalog of “racist and patriarchal crimes” against the native peoples he encountered, while his skills as a navigator and his vision and drive are blasted as “accidental” and “greedy.” To do otherwise invites censure by one’s peers and economic punishment from one’s institution and its financial backers.

Tokie

Are you suggesting that as we learn new facts about history, we should ignore them?
 
Proof?




Are you suggesting that as we learn new facts about history, we should ignore them?
He's a radical far-right extremist with a paranoid persecution complex, and he believes reality is rewritten in order to support one viewpoint or another, because he makes things up to match his ideology, and assumes that everyone else must do it to. No fact can sway him, because he believes that facts that disagree with his viewpoint are lies by definition. In the same way, he believes that the lies he tells are "true", or at least contain truthiness, because they support his cult-like political beliefs.

You can't engage in a rational discussion with Tokie, because everything quickly devolves into rants against all the groups he feels are conspiring against him. What you CAN do is poke him, and study the responses that come from him, and try to get a fix on the psychology of this sort of person.
 
He's a radical far-right extremist with a paranoid persecution complex, and he believes reality is rewritten in order to support one viewpoint or another, because he makes things up to match his ideology, and assumes that everyone else must do it to. No fact can sway him, because he believes that facts that disagree with his viewpoint are lies by definition. In the same way, he believes that the lies he tells are "true", or at least contain truthiness, because they support his cult-like political beliefs.

You can't engage in a rational discussion with Tokie, because everything quickly devolves into rants against all the groups he feels are conspiring against him. What you CAN do is poke him, and study the responses that come from him, and try to get a fix on the psychology of this sort of person.


Do you realize you are making one of his points with the above statements?

:boggled:
 
Political correctness in my opinion is a great threat to freedom of speech as well. It essentially sends a message that free speech and even accuracy take a back-seat to avoiding offending people.

Now, I'm not saying that people should be as mean and nasty as they can. But I don't think people should be afraid to say the truth.


INRM
 
A discussion about the alignment of political correctness and the subject of global warming and/or man made global warming?

Wheeeiiii!
 
Political correctness in my opinion is a great threat to freedom of speech as well. It essentially sends a message that free speech and even accuracy take a back-seat to avoiding offending people.

Now, I'm not saying that people should be as mean and nasty as they can. But I don't think people should be afraid to say the truth.


INRM

The problem is, there's no giant "PC" conspiracy to suppress truth. Whatever "PC" might have meant, its current meaning has been hijacked by radicals to support their lies and bigotry. "Politically Correct" is often used in the same way that other woo woos use terms like "Darwinists" and "Western Medicine." It is a make-believe bogeyman, created to give themselves false credibility by pretending that "The Man" is holding them sown in some way. They can then use the fact that their nonsense has been rejected, as some sort of bizarre backwards "proof" that they are actually right.
 
Indeed, many scientific publications have for some time now refused to accept any related research that fails to recognize that “warming” is occurring and worse, any such research that fails to attribute this to human activity.
Do you have any examples of such publications and the papers they have refused only because those papers contradict AGW?
 
Or, to put it another way, imagine two conversations that make my point.

Here's the first one:

Teetotaler: Hey there, buddy, I think you've got a drinking problem.

Casual Drinker: No I don't. I have a glass of wine with dinner occasionally, and sometimes we have a couple of beers on Poker Night, but other than--

Teetotaler: DENIAL!!

Casual Drinker: What?!?

Teetotaler: Denial is a sure sign of alcoholism! You're an alcoholic!

Casual Drinker: But, wouldn't someone who doesn't have a problem also say that they don't have a problem?

Teetotaler: ...well... everyone who drinks has a problem.

And the second:

Global Warming Denialist: Global Warming is a left wing plot to destroy the world's economy, plunge us into chaos, and make everyone wear hemp jeans and Birkenstocks. The worldwide community of scientists and the evil liberal media are conspiring with Al Gore and that evil crying Native American from those 1970's anti-pollution ads, in order to attack capitalism!!

Normal Person: Yeah, but... isn't that a little bit silly? No one would really act that way, and scientists working in labs have little to gain by just making stuff up. Frankly, the whole thing sounds like a nutty conspiracy theory, just like the 9/11 Twoofers, the JFK assassination weirdos, the UFO--

GW Denialist: HAH! You're part of the conspiracy! You hate America!

Normal Person: What?

GW Denialist: See, you've been corrupted by the conspiracy, the lies of the media and the hippies and the commies and the PC police and the other varied forces aligned against democracy and freedom!!



Ok, maybe that was a little exaggerated? But, it does bring up a good point: for some people, evidence presented for their claim is proof of their claim... and evidence against their claim is also proof of their claim, because it proves that there really is a conspiracy trying to suppress their "truth."
 
The problem is, there's no giant "PC" conspiracy to suppress truth. Whatever "PC" might have meant, its current meaning has been hijacked by radicals to support their lies and bigotry. "Politically Correct" is often used in the same way that other woo woos use terms like "Darwinists" and "Western Medicine." It is a make-believe bogeyman, created to give themselves false credibility by pretending that "The Man" is holding them sown in some way. They can then use the fact that their nonsense has been rejected, as some sort of bizarre backwards "proof" that they are actually right.

I'm not so sure.

Are you saying that "political correctness" is not quantifiable?

Say from the point of view of linguists who study the change in the use of grammer and language over several decades, a group of changes has occurred in English that in the aggregate, can be said to more or less constitute political correctness.

Would there be attempts to hijack such a juicy plum? Of course!

Are certain views about "global warming" being made part and parcel of political correctness? A good argument could be made in that direction.
 
Without even trying I run across juxaposition of global warming and political correctness. First of many examples:
A group of prominent Argentine scientists disputes the theory that human activity is the cause of global warming and demand a “more serious debate”. Eduardo Tonni, head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata, notes that, while it’s not politically correct to dispute this theory, the evidence for global warming being a “natural” occurrence is far more compelling.
 
Given that you recently started a global warming thread and never responded to the replies generated, I see no reason to read another one of your lengthy screeds. If you are serious about discussing this matter, then reply to any of the other global warming threads. If you are not serious about discussing the matter, then stop opening new threads.

Don't read it, then. No skin off my nose.

Why do you think I care about whether you read or respond to this?

Your response, by the way, sort of proves what my "lengthy screed" is saying.

Tokie
 
If he were serious, he wouldn't fill his little screeds with so many half-truths and outright lies.

Hmm...such as?

You say this a lot (then you run to complain to the mods when I call YOU a liar...curious), but you can never back it up. Never.

Then you shriek at me: link?! LIIINNKKKKKKK!!!? I should think that if I am presenting half-truths (a bit hard to define) and lies (much easier) you could reference a couple or three. And yet...not so much.

Tokie
 
Proof?




Are you suggesting that as we learn new facts about history, we should ignore them?

Proof: Kyoto.

New facts: no...I'm not. That's what PCers say, though. But only if the facts aren't PC. It took most of the 90s for PCers to allow the truth about the warlike nature of the Maya, who were previously held to be peaceful, bucolic, pastoral people, to become well-known.

In that case, a couple or three careers were riding on it (in disciplines like archeo and anthro you only get one shot at making it big).

Tokie
 
He's a radical far-right extremist with a paranoid persecution complex, and he believes reality is rewritten in order to support one viewpoint or another, because he makes things up to match his ideology, and assumes that everyone else must do it to. No fact can sway him, because he believes that facts that disagree with his viewpoint are lies by definition. In the same way, he believes that the lies he tells are "true", or at least contain truthiness, because they support his cult-like political beliefs.

You can't engage in a rational discussion with Tokie, because everything quickly devolves into rants against all the groups he feels are conspiring against him. What you CAN do is poke him, and study the responses that come from him, and try to get a fix on the psychology of this sort of person.

In the first para here, we see Libbie projection at work. This poster actually believes this, by the way. One of my favorite examples from the left (and this guy exemplifies it) is that in discussions of this sort if I were to misstate something, say I said Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue in 1592...that would be identified by this poster not for what it is, either my ignorance, or a mistatement of fact, or just a screwup, but rather as a LIEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! And he'd run about screaming as how he'd caught me lying, and would stalk my next oh, 20-25 posts screaming "you a liar...a LIIIIAAARRRRRRRRR!!!"

Which makes it damnably difficult to engage doctrinaire, dogmantic, lockstep, blinkered libs like this in any kind of rational discourse.

But his posting this is certainly helpful to my argument about the way in which leftists rely upon projection.

The bit about my paranoia is also interesting and goes to the same argument: you can't engage doctrinaire, dogmatic, lockstep, blinkered libs like this in rational discourse because, as we see here, in a post where he is calling MY rationality into question, his own post is liberally (heh, heh) littered (isn't that against the Libbie Code, littering?) with logical fallacies, not the least of which is this ad hom.

Tokie
 

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