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Michael Mozina said:
No, you twisted it like a pretzel for me (as usual). That seems to be a popular theme with you folks. You dumb down the conversation to the point of absurdity and make strawmen out of each and every statement.
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So you're going to dumb it up with a little math, eh Michael?

Michael Mozina said:
Now that I finally understand how to go about destroying mainstream theory, I'll start working on it. I think *THAT* little project might even motivate me to do a little math.
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Michael Mozina said:
Er, no. That would be something one can demonstrate in any electrical interaction on Earth. Are you really that desperate for an insult or what?
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Except for the magic inflation dark energy bunnies magic Moz-physics bunnies, Mozplasma, Mozode, Mozeparation, Mozcharge, Mozwind, and Moztronium! :p

Created a Mozode in your lab yet MM? How about a Mozcharge? Where can I obtain even 1 gram of Mozplasma? or a gram of Moztronium?

Have you simulated Mozwinds or Mozeparation in any lab yet MM?
 
Michael Mozina said:
So if I stick a cathode of at one end of a plasma column and an anode at the other and turn on the power, will the cathode necessarily explode?
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Several things could happen.

One is you maintain the anode/cathode voltage at some fixed level, and ground the cathode (or connect it back to the anode via a wire). Then current will flow through the cathode: in one side and out the other.

Another is you maintain the voltage and do not allow the cathode to discharge. In that case it will explode (although you will find it harder and harder to maintain the voltage as the cathode charges up).

A third is that you turn on the voltage, but allow it to vary and let the system find its own equilibrium. In that case the cathode will charge to the point that it cancels the voltage, in which case no more current will flow.

In the first case only is power dissipated steady state. That's the case where current flows in one end and out the other, and where an external power source is required to keep it flowing.

Where in the sun is the current flowing in? Where is it flowing out? What's the power source? Why don't we measure the resulting magnetic fields? Why don't we detect the current in space?
 
GeeMack said:
So you're going to dumb it up with a little math, eh Michael?
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You've never bothered to read any of Birkeland's math, so why should I bother? Hell, you been denying for years that Birkeland even had a solar model! You're *SO* out there in terms of misinformation and disinformation that I can only assume you get paid to be this irrationally belligerent.
 
Michael Mozina said:
So you really are that desperate eh? When did you intend to start having a "civil" conversation anyway oh great defender of civility?
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Michael Mozina said:
You've never bothered to read any of Birkeland's math, so why should I bother? Hell, you been denying for years that Birkeland even had a solar model! You're *SO* out there in terms of misinformation and disinformation that I can only assume you get paid to be this irrationally belligerent.
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For the record.
 
GeeMack said:
For the record.
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For what record? You have *NEVER* been "civil" to me. I don't believe you even understand the term "civil" in fact. What "record" are you keeping? Does it include a record of you calling me a fraud? Does that record include all those times you called me liar? Does your record include all those times you said I didn't have the math skills to balance a checkbook? Does your record include all the thousands of times you've called me a crackpot? What exactly are you "recording" anyway, a list of your own transgressions, or just mine?
 
Michael Mozina said:
So if I stick a cathode of at one end of a plasma column and an anode at the other and turn on the power, will the cathode necessarily explode?
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It most certainly will, if you don't allow the charges to go somewhere else.

If the Sun were as paravolt has described, there would be nowhere for the charges to go (the current flow, in his simple idea, is from heliosphere - actually heliopause or heliosheath most likely - to Sun, probably photosphere, but he didn't specify).

For the charges to not accumulate, you need a magic electric element never created in any lab on Earth, a Mozode:

What, then, is the Mozode?

First and foremost, it is a critically important element in an electric circuit; its electrical nature is essential.

Second, it is spherical, or approximately spherical.

Third, its surface is composed of Moplasma.

Fourth, it emits electrons and protons in equal quantities*.

Fifth, it has a voltage of ~600,000,000 volts, with respect to a hollow sphere which completely encloses it (the Mozode is at the approximate centre of this sphere; this outer sphere may be another Moz-thingie).

Sixth, it has not been simulated in real science experiments here on Earth; it does not meet the burden of proof from the standpoint of empirical physics in any lab on Earth; (yet get the idea).

* actually, electrons and positive ions (the ions are predominantly protons and helium ions)
 
Michael Mozina said:
For what record? You have *NEVER* been "civil" to me. I don't believe you even understand the term "civil" in fact. What "record" are you keeping? Does it include a record of you calling me a fraud? Does that record include all those times you called me liar? Does your record include all those times you said I didn't have the math skills to balance a checkbook? Does your record include all the thousands of times you've called me a crackpot? What exactly are you "recording" anyway, a list of your own transgressions, or just mine?
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I keep asking you whether you intend to follow up on this...

Michael Mozina said:
Now that I finally understand how to go about destroying mainstream theory, I'll start working on it. I think *THAT* little project might even motivate me to do a little math.
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... and all you can do is attempt to derail the discussion with complaints about being duly criticized? Don't you have any more to contribute than the same old stale arguments from incredulity and ignorance you were scattering around five years ago?
 
Michael Mozina said:
No, you twisted it like a pretzel for me (as usual). That seems to be a popular theme with you folks. You dumb down the conversation to the point of absurdity and make strawmen out of each and every statement.
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Perhaps it's time, then, to write out what you mean, using either standard terms (like 'current', 'cathode', or 'model') or if you want to stick with your own, idiosyncratic, meanings, then define them clearly.

After all, for each of the magic Moz-physics bunnies I've described, I've used your own posts (and your website) as source.

I think the two you'll find easiest to address are Mozode (an element in a circuit which emits equal quantities of positive and negative charge) and Mozcharge (an electrical discharge - tens or hundreds of thousands of km in length - which takes place in a low-density, fully ionised, high-temperature plasma).
 
sol invictus said:
That may be the first true thing you've said in this thread, Michael.
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It's really only a waste of time because none of you seem even the least bit interested in "understanding" a Birkeland solar model. Instead it's been a exercise in pure denial. It's like Birkeland never existed, and never wrote about a solar model *EVER*. In fact GM has been claiming for years that Birkeland didn't even *HAVE* a solar model and NONE of you set him straight. Not one of you.
 
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Michael Mozina said:
It's really only a waste of time because none of you seem even the least bit interested in "understanding" a Birkeland solar model.
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For myself, I've been responding to things that you've said about your model. AFAIK, Birkeland never discussed a highly-ionized transparent neon layer or the use of running-difference images to see terrain. Birkeland never announced that the SDO first-light image destroyed the SSM. Birkeland never cherry-picked the SERTS data. If this thread is intended to be about hashing out Birkeland's musings about the sun (for instance, how the sunspots are hotter than the rest of the surface) then all those other points are off-topic and you shouldn't have brought them up.
 
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Michael Mozina said:
It's really only a waste of time because none of you seem even the least bit interested in "understanding" a Birkeland solar model. Instead it's been a exercise in pure denial. It's like Birkeland never existed, and never wrote about a solar model *EVER*. In fact GM has been claiming for years that Birkeland didn't even *HAVE* a solar model and NONE of you set him straight. Not one of you.
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You're talking about that solar model of his that spit atoms out into space which are coalescing to form new planets of course. That model with the brass shell? That model mounted on a stick inside a glass box? That model that didn't have a 6000K surface? That model without a layer of neon wafting about all over the surface of it? You mean that Birkeland solar model? :p

And again it's worth noting that you'd rather whine and complain instead of applying a modicum of time and effort to supporting your very own crackpot conjecture.
 
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dasmiller said:
For myself, I've been responding to things that you've said about your model.
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FYI, I don't have any problem with your posts or your attitude dasmiller. This issue goes 'way' back, long before you got involved in this discussion, and long before this particular thread even got started.

There are folks like yourself that have participated in this thread in a straight forward and up front manner. Most folks would fall into that category IMO. There are some however that seem to blatantly ignore the history of an electric solar model and go out of their way to distort history in that respect. GM is prime example of a combative style of discourse that makes this conversation much more difficult (and nasty) than it needs to be.

For instance, they keep complaining that Birkland's sphere was made of brass, and yet they ignore the fact he calculated the mass of the universe based on "iron", not "brass". It's like anything they can find to make a distinction between Birkeland's theories and this solar model somehow negates *BOTH* solar models.

Birkeland didn't have SERTS data to work with. Birkeland did have satellite images galore. Birkeland didn't need any of them. I'm sure there will be a number of differences between his model and this model, but this model is based directly upon his work.
 
GeeMack said:
And again it's worth noting that you'd rather whine and complain instead of applying a modicum of time and effort to supporting your very own crackpot conjecture.
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And again you ignored that he calculated the mass of the universe based on *IRON SUNS* not on "brass". You're right back to the "crackpot in every post" game and you're still pretending to be in scientific integrity?
 
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