Moderated Iron sun with Aether batteries...

[Michael Mozina]

You lost me there, how can a single image be aligned? Aligned to what?


How so?


I'm not ignoring any implications, I'm not the one making claims here. I'm pointing out the things that YOU are ignoring. You're making assumptions about all of the images rather than going to the source and asking.


Again, how can a single image be the right scale and/or alignment. Neither of those measurements makes any sense on its own.

Zig was right about the alignment of the GIF files. If we take the 4500A GIF image and position it with any iron ion wavelength, the limb darkened region always appears just above the horizon of the 4500A image. It works out beautifully in terms of overall size and alignment IMO to support the SSM.

If however we take either the 1600A or 1700A images and try to exactly the same thing, it doesn't work out, nor does either wavelength align to the 4500A image. Why?

If they are not aligned now, then it won't get "better" once they do align the GIF's in terms of the alignment of the 4500A to the iron lines. It might make the 1600A, 1700A and 4500A come more into alignment, but that isn't going to help support the SSM in terms of how that all aligns itself back to the original iron line images.

 

[phunk]

If we take the 4500A GIF image and position it with any iron ion wavelength, the limb darkened region always appears just above the horizon of the 4500A image.

I'm going to ask again, maybe this time you'll answer. What does limb darkening mean?

 

[Michael Mozina]

I'm going to ask again, maybe this time you'll answer. What does limb darkening mean?

http://aia.lmsal.com/public/firstlight/20100408_044515/f0193.gif

Look at the 12:15 position of this image, and all along the limbs of this image. There is a region behind and above the dark jagged limb that is brighter than the limb itself. The limb is "opaque" to light behind that point. It's the A) location of your earlier diagram.

http://phunkadelic.org/sd01-2.jpg

 

[dasmiller]

http://aia.lmsal.com/public/firstlight/20100408_044515/f0193.gif

Look at the 12:15 position of this image, and all along the limbs of this image. There is a region behind and above the dark jagged limb that is brighter than the limb itself. The limb is "opaque" to light behind that point. It's the A) location of your earlier diagram.

So, for you, does limb darkening mean that the limb is darker than the corona, or that the limb is darker than the apparent center of the sun's disk, or is it simply the ragged edge of the photosphere? Or is it something else?

 

[phunk]

http://aia.lmsal.com/public/firstlight/20100408_044515/f0193.gif

Look at the 12:15 position of this image, and all along the limbs of this image. There is a region behind and above the dark jagged limb that is brighter than the limb itself. The limb is "opaque" to light behind that point. It's the A) location of your earlier diagram.

http://phunkadelic.org/sd01-2.jpg

That's not limb darkening. This is part of why it's so damn hard to know what you're talking about, you use established terms to mean something completely different than everyone else.

Limb Darkening

 

[GeeMack]

I'm going to ask again, maybe this time you'll answer. What does limb darkening mean?

http://aia.lmsal.com/public/firstlight/20100408_044515/f0193.gif

Look at the 12:15 position of this image, and all along the limbs of this image. There is a region behind and above the dark jagged limb that is brighter than the limb itself. The limb is "opaque" to light behind that point. It's the A) location of your earlier diagram.

http://phunkadelic.org/sd01-2.jpg

You are wrong. That is not what limb darkening is. And your gross misunderstanding of that simple concept only goes to support the notion that you don't possess the qualifications to communicate in a sane, rational, or intelligent manner on the subject of solar physics. But that will happen when you claim to be qualified and your qualifications are challenged. Bummer for you.

 

[Michael Mozina]

That's not limb darkening. This is part of why it's so damn hard to know what you're talking about, you use established terms to mean something completely different than everyone else.

Limb Darkening

What would you like to call it then?

 

[DeiRenDopa]

http://aia.lmsal.com/public/firstlig...4515/f0193.gif

Look at the 12:15 position of this image, and all along the limbs of this image. There is a region behind and above the dark jagged limb that is brighter than the limb itself. The limb is "opaque" to light behind that point. It's the A) location of your earlier diagram.

http://phunkadelic.org/sd01-2.jpg

That's not limb darkening. This is part of why it's so damn hard to know what you're talking about, you use established terms to mean something completely different than everyone else.

Limb Darkening

Not to mention that the terms used are not defined, that many key terms are enclosed in double quote marks (or not, it's apparently quite arbitrary), that the inferred (from the context) meanings of many words changes post to post, that ...

MM got very upset - many posts, and threads, ago - when I called his use of key terms idiosyncratic ... and then kept right on being idiosyncratic!

 

[GeeMack]

That's not limb darkening. This is part of why it's so damn hard to know what you're talking about, you use established terms to mean something completely different than everyone else.

Limb Darkening

For a guy who claims to have created his own crackpot conjecture about the composition of the Sun somewhere around five years ago, it is interesting that he didn't have the slightest idea what the photosphere was until a couple weeks ago, and only today did he learn what limb darkening is.

 

[Michael Mozina]

For a guy who claims to have created his own crackpot conjecture about the composition of the Sun somewhere around five years ago, it is interesting that he didn't have the slightest idea what the photosphere was until a couple weeks ago, and only today did he learn what limb darkening is.

It's not my personal fault you guys cling to what Alfven called "pseudoscience" and you make up oxymoronic terms right and left like "negative pressure vacuums". It's not my fault that you personally don't understand the term "opaque" either.

I try to get by as closely to your own terminology as I can, but since you guys make up dark energy gnomes and inflation faerie variations galore, it's hard to communicate with an industry that is based on only 4% real physics, and 96% ad hoc nonsense.

 

[Michael Mozina]

Smaller of course, the chromosphere is in between the photosphere and the corona.

It will necessarily be greater than or equal to the diameter of the surface of the photosphere in the SSM, correct (+- 3.5 meters)?

 

[GeeMack]

For a guy who claims to have created his own crackpot conjecture about the composition of the Sun somewhere around five years ago, it is interesting that he didn't have the slightest idea what the photosphere was until a couple weeks ago, and only today did he learn what limb darkening is.

Damn. Looks like I spoke too soon. He still doesn't know what photosphere means.

It will necessarily be greater than or equal to the diameter of the surface of the photosphere in the SSM, correct (+- 3.5 meters)?

 

[Michael Mozina]

Damn. Looks like I spoke too soon. He still doesn't know what photosphere means.

So your degree isn't in "civil" discourse I take it? You can sure dish it out, but you can't take it.

Larger or smaller than the surface of the photosphere?

 

[D'rok]

WTF is the surface of the photosphere?

 

[Michael Mozina]

WTF is the surface of the photosphere?

http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/images/24jul02_gcont_ai.jpg

It's the surface of that gold shinny layer (+-3.5 *METERS*).

 

[Michael Mozina]

WTF is the surface of the photosphere?

http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/images/gband_pd_15Jul2002_short_wholeFOV-2.mpg

It's that bright white convecting surface in that image.

 

[Ziggurat]

If they are not aligned now, then it won't get "better" once they do align the GIF's in terms of the alignment of the 4500A to the iron lines.

Why on earth would you do that? That's the wrong thing to do, Michael. The correct thing to do is to find out the actual angular coverage of the different images, and adjust them based on that angular coverage. If you try to adjust them with respect to each other, then you're assuming that they should coincide in particular ways. And as you should know by now, making assumptions about these images is not the correct way to proceed.

 

[D'rok]

http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/images/24jul02_gcont_ai.jpg

It's the surface of that gold shinny layer (+-3.5 *METERS*).

Can you give me a definition rather than a picture?

 

[Perpetual Student]

I haven't dismissed any evidence. I've looked at all of it. The outcome has to be decided by work that is "published' by someone other than GM and myself based on SDO images. How is that complicated?

I have observed you and interacted with you on other threads. When cornered, you inevitably ramble on about "math bunnies" and perform one of your escape acts. I do not believe your engagement in these discussions is honest because you do do not have the knowledge and skills to participate in these discussions. You are a pretender, and I for one, see through your act, which is as transparent as empty space.

So, to repeat:

Again you continue all this blather about wagering! How could anyone bet someone who dismisses scientific evidence? On what basis could anyone possibly win? You do not have even the slightest understanding of the nature of scientific evidence, you don't understand the mathematics required to evaluate any evidence and you have a bias toward accepting only the mythology of your own idiosyncratic observations!

 

[Michael Mozina]

Can you give me a definition rather than a picture?

It is the convecting surface that can be seen in every Gband image.