Merged "Iron-rich spheres" - scienctific explanation?

The point, which you are ignoring is: The pulverization began at he beginning of the collapse but that could not be the result of the upper portion falling nor can dust turn concrete and everything else to dust.
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I was ignoring it because it is nonsensical. I think it's blatantly obvious that everything wasn't turned to dust in any sense
 
Let's look at this a different way: Suppose you mixed some crushed concrete with 10% by weight crushed glass. Pile it up, with a stainless steel gun in the middle of the pile, and heat the pile to 1150°F. Leave it that way for 48 hours, then let it cool. What would you expect to happen to the material?
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Do you actually think I am going to take you're speculation over what the plaque says on the wall? "Melted concrete like lava" is what it says. Can you show me proof that the plaque has been deemed a mistake?

That shows beyond a doubt that temperatures over 3000f were present at the WTC....and that can account for the previous molten iron spheres that were created DURING the WTC Event"
 
chrismohr said:
Chris7 wrote:
The pulverization started at the very beginning. Watch the videos. It's the same at the beginning as it was all the way down.

This is not true. Watch the towers coming down. At first there is just a little bit of dust coming out, then more, then more still. In an explosive CD, it starts with big dust plumes right away. Here the dust ejections build up because the speed of the collapse is gradually increasing. I did look at the videos. This is what I saw.
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I have watched the videos many times. The ejections start immediately and they remain the same all the way down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFz9TZUyIZk&feature=related

Notice the numerous expolsions on the west side of the building above the impact point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DChR1XcYhlw
 
The dust samples by RJ Lee were taken after May 2002. Means the dust deposited was from before 911, during 911, and after 911. RJ Lee report is one building, a narrow study which is not indicative of all the dust that fell from the collapse of the WTC.


The lead was in the mineral wool when it was manufactured. Research is not a 911 truth tool. Mineral wool, not unusual to have 5 percent iron, Fe.

LOL, ignorance is 911 truth.

If true the Inside Job of 911 would earn a Pulitzer; poor 911 truth stuck with moronic delusions, and infinite failure.




superlogicalthinker said:
Do you actually think I am going to take you're speculation over what the plaque says on the wall? "Melted concrete like lava" is what it says. Can you show me proof that the plaque has been deemed a mistake?

That shows beyond a doubt that temperatures over 3000f were present at the WTC....and that can account for the previous molten iron spheres that were created DURING the WTC Event"
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You are the best example of failed research. You cherry-pick false statements, and prove you can't make rational conclusions.
You make up lies due to lack of knowledge and quote-mining without thinking, without using knowledge, not using judgement, using failed logic.
 
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beachnut said:
The dust samples by RJ Lee were taken after May 2002. Means the dust deposited was from before 911, during 911, and after 911.
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You did not read or understand this:
RJ Lee Group report 2004
Pg 4 [pdf pg 5]
The pressure differential was caused by the onrush of the WTC Dust cloud that was created by the collapse of the WTC Towers with a low pressure inside Building components and high pressure outside. A huge pressure difference was created that caused large quantities of dust laden air to move through unplanned pathways. Individual components or devices with internal spaces effectively acted like a vacuum cleaner pulling the dust into them with great force.

This did not occur during the cleanup.

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The lead was in the mineral wool when it was manufactured
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Like so many here, you think you know better that the RJ Lee Group. You don't.

"Melted concrete like lava"
You cherry-pick false statements
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Do you think the NYPD Museum is lying?
 
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Do you think the NYPD Museum is lying?
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Easily could have been a misunderstanding. Besides, what would it matter to troofers? You guys have no issues with saying the entire FDNY is in on it. All of a sudden it's offensive to believe that the NYPD museum was going for dramatic affect.

"Troofer Headquarters, how may I help you?"

"Hi, this is Double Standards checking on your stock levels."

"We're all full here, thanks"
 
Please, that is just denial.
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No, denial is hanging on to completely debunked theories because I desperately want there to be a conspiracy

That is a scurrilous false accusation. I have never said that nor have I heard anyone but JREFers even mention it.
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Really? Talk about denial in it's finest form. It's all over conspiracy theory websites. In fact, it was linked either in this thread or another one from infowars. As far as I know that's a crazy CT site.

Is there a way you could have your little CT without the firemen being involved? Do tell.
 
plague311 said:
But they also say that the levels are expected...true or not?
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Read it again. They say "[FONT=&quot]Considering the high temperatures reached [/FONT] during the destruction of the WTC, the following three types of combustion products would be expected to be present in WTC Dust.[FONT=&quot]"[/FONT]

They know that iron melts at 2800oF.
"iron[FONT=&quot] and lead were melted during the WTC event, producing spherical metallic particles."[/FONT]
 
Christopher7 said:
Read it again. They say "[FONT=&quot]Considering the high temperatures reached [/FONT] during the destruction of the WTC, the following three types of combustion products would be expected to be present in WTC Dust.[FONT=&quot]"[/FONT]

They know that iron melts at 2800oF.
"iron[FONT=&quot] and lead were melted during the WTC event, producing spherical metallic particles."[/FONT]
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When during the the WTC event?

It says expected..along troofer lines that's evidence to me.
 
Christopher7 said:
You did not read or understand this:
RJ Lee Group report 2004
Pg 4 [pdf pg 5]
The pressure differential was caused by the onrush of the WTC Dust cloud that was created by the collapse of the WTC Towers with a low pressure inside Building components and high pressure outside. A huge pressure difference was created that caused large quantities of dust laden air to move through unplanned pathways. Individual components or devices with internal spaces effectively acted like a vacuum cleaner pulling the dust into them with great force.

This did not occur during the cleanup.

ETA: Like so many here, you think you know better that the RJ Lee Group. You don't.

Do you think the NYPD Museum is lying?
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Go ahead, prove there were no particles for over 8 months added to the dust from the WTC. Make my year, say 8 months of dust can't happen! LOL, you sure do fail easy. Essentially a few minutes of dust falling, makes 8 months of dust and fumes impossible? Wow.

The clean up is the WTC Event too. Where is your Pulitzer?

Do an experiment at home! Don't dust for 8 months, don't use your house for 8 months, be sure to break windows and rip opening the wall.

"My name is ..." You love fiction, you are supporting the biggest fiction, 911 truth. Your aviator would not support the liars like you do.


Yes, I am better than RJ Lee Group, but they said nothing wrong. The mineral wool had lead and iron, it was made that way, and 5 percent Fe is found in mineral wool. You have delusions, no Pulitzer, nothing but 10 years of failure on-track for infinite failure. Keep up the good work, no action, no knowledge, nothing.


The NYPD Museum put a false statement out so you can use it to promote moronic lies. Good job quote-mining your way to stupid conclusions. It proves you are gullible, prove you don't do science, you don't do chemistry, you don't do physics, you don't have any evidence to support your fantasy.

You can't figure out what is right or wrong; this is not good if you want to join reality. Cherry-pick your way to woo.

No action for 10 years, what will 911 truth do next? What about Flt 77 and 93, how do those two planes fit in your delusional fantasy?
 
Christopher7 said:
From the videos
Oh thats Ok then research via youtube beats all those years I spent at college:rolleyes:

I cannot but do you really need the math?
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No, but you do.......if you can't then you have no business making the calims that you do.


"Do you think the top section could pulverize everything from the very beginning of a "collapse"."
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Absolutely with no problems whatsoever......but then I had a education....

"Do you think that dust can pulverize concrete?
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Of course it CAN......if it had sufficient velocity, just as water can cut steel. It didn't on 911 of course, but it didn't have to....there was plenty of concrete and steel to produce the dust seen.
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plague311 said:
No, denial is hanging on to completely debunked theories because I desperately want there to be a conspiracy
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You are talking to yourself. "OBL and 19 hijackers did it" is a conspiracy theory that has been debunked.

Is there a way you could have your little CT without the firemen being involved? Do tell.
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Absolutely. Only the people at the top would know the plan. Each person only knows what they need to know to do their job so they did not know of the overall plan. It's called "compartmentalization". There was no need to let the firefighters in on anything. They were told by an "engineer" that WTC7 was going to collapse as Chief Hayden said in the BBC "The Third Tower".

But we are getting away from the point here:
The RJ LEE Group and the NYPD Museum confirmed temperatures far in excess of what office fires can attain.

Deniers refuse to accept any evidence that proves the NIST hypothesis is false.
 
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Christopher7 said:
Read it again. They say "[FONT=&quot]Considering the high temperatures reached [/FONT]during the destruction of the WTC, the following three types of combustion products would be expected to be present in WTC Dust.[FONT=&quot]"[/FONT]

They know that iron melts at 2800oF.
"iron[FONT=&quot] and lead were melted during the WTC event, producing spherical metallic particles."[/FONT]
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High temperatures are anything greater than a standard day, and when we have fire, we have "high temperatures". The highest temperatures were due to clean up, and during manufacture of the things in the WTC.

Your post is called quote-mining.

The WTC event includes clean up for RJ Lee, to say otherwise is failed logic. But feel free to live up to the best 911 truth can do.


Christopher7 said:
You are talking to yourself. "OBL and 19 hijackers did it" is a conspiracy theory that has been debunked.

Absolutely. Only the people at the top would know the plan. Each person only knows what they need to know to do their job so they did not know of the overall plan. It's called "compartmentalization". There was no need to let the firefighters in on anything. They were told by an "engineer" that WTC7 was going to collapse as Chief Hayden said in the BBC "The Third Tower".

But we are getting away from the point here:
The RJ LEE Group and the NYPD Museum confirmed temperatures far in excess of what office fires can attain.

Deniers refuse to accept any evidence that proves to NIST hypothesis is false.
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19 terrorists did all of 911, all by themselves, to say otherwise is a moronic lie. Big lie. Why do you spread insane lies?

When is your Pulitzer coming? LOL, you have idiotic delusions on 911. Please let it all out, start a thread on 77 and 93, I have to see how your SIOP works.

RJ Lee did not confirm anything about temperatures in the WTC collapse. You are making a conclusion without support.
NYPD Museum was wrong, but you can't correct errors, all you do is cherry-pick quotes to support your fantasy.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/index.html
10 years, why have you failed to break into the real world with your paranoid conspiracy theory you can't define, or support with evidence? oh
 
sheeplesnshills said:
Christopher7 said:
From the videos
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Oh thats Ok then research via youtube beats all those years I spent at college:rolleyes:
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Easily. A video captures what actually happened. They taught you to conform in college. :D

C7 said:
Do you think the top section could pulverize everything from the very beginning of a "collapse".
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Absolutely with no problems whatsoever......but then I had a education....
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Then you do the math before claiming that the top portion could pulverize the first floor it came in contact with. Remember that the plane hit at an angle and the damage was asymmetrical, spread out over several floors.

Of course it CAN......if it had sufficient velocity
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It was descending at about 2/3 the rate of gravity. Do the math or stop asking me to.
 
Christopher7 said:
Do you think the NYPD Museum is lying?
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Not lying, of course. They're just "mistaken". Like everyone else in the world who disagrees with 9/11 debunkers. They're "mistaken". They don't really know what they're saying. They're perhaps even a little confused. They need to be interpreted. ;)
 
It was descending at about 2/3 the rate of gravity. Do the math or stop asking me to
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So you have no issues in double standard as you tell him to do the math even though you've admitted you're too stupid to do it yourself?

...nice
 
ergo said:
Not lying, of course. They're just "mistaken". Like everyone else in the world who disagrees with 9/11 debunkers. They're "mistaken". They don't really know what they're saying. They're perhaps even a little confused. They need to be interpreted. ;)
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You uneducated individuals realize that it's a museum right? There is no "confirming" temps when they put those signs up. Who uses quotes from a Museum as evidence? It wouldn't make it in a court room.

But, when you're deep in the twooferdom, I guess anything that you can manipulate into working for your "theory" is fair game.

*whistle* here goal post, here boy *whistle*
 
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